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how long did you need to become proficient at your job? (linux.community)

submitted 7 months ago by vestmoria@linux.community to c/workreform@lemmy.world

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Im a nurse and most nurses seem to agree 2 years is the mark when you become proficient.

I passed the nclex but there are so many things you only learn by doing and living it, not reading it on a book or on a lecture by a nurse who stopped working with patients 20 years ago.

This sucks because until then your coworkers are not going to fully trust you and, in my case, they want me to do things their way, because otherwise it's wrong. Add 6 nurses to the mix that feel entitled to this and you'll understand why Im burning out: every one of them feels entitled to correct me, but the way one works contradicts how the next one does.

I wonder if this is a rite of passage across industries and workplaces and if in some industries it takes way less than 2 years to be proficient.

If this is how life is, how do I survive till year 2?

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[–] Godort@lemm.ee 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You guys get proficient at your jobs?

I've been working in my role in network security for over a decade and I still feel like I don't know anything sometimes. The thing I did learn though, was to recognize when I needed to improve my skills and when it was just imposter syndrome.

In your case, I would do it the way you are asked, rather than the textbook way. Then after things are sorted out, speak with them to figure out why they do it that way instead(be careful with your tone so you sound inquisitive rather than critical). If they're worth working with, they will give you an answer beyond "because I said so".

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

I'm a Principal Engineer at a multi-billion dollar company and I can confirm, I don't know shit.

The younger programmers always get surprised when I say: I don't know! But we'll figure it out!

[–] DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You never stop learning. There will never be a day when you can stand up and say, “ok, I know everything now”.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

And if you do know everything, leave. You've maxed out.

[+] catloaf@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

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[+] vestmoria@linux.community -6 points 7 months ago (3 children)

career: are you paying for my certifications and the financial penalty I'd take? it's a 3 year minimum for any bachelor.

workplace: how do you know the new place is going to be better?

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

That's the neat part! You don't.

[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 4 points 7 months ago

I know people who quit medical jobs, like nurse in a big hospital, to do another job that's equally shitty. Quitting by itself makes sense, as most of them won't be promoted to a manager, statistically speaking.

I think, what they really should consider is to find a better hospital (instead of becoming a massager or a cashier).

Maybe smaller hospitals have less stress. The way I change my job is to contact friends and gather information about their workplaces.

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You can learn on your own time. Books are cheap or free to read and there's lots of ways to get free hands-on experience. Get off social media and into your local library!

[–] Sylver@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Spoken like someone who hasn’t tried applying to degree-mandatory industries

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

No, that sounds like a real pain. Much easier to just have a career where I can advance the way I want. Degrees are pretty portable though.

[–] Sylver@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Then you should know that you can’t just get a degree from reading books at the library, right? You can teach yourself everything, but that doesn’t mean society will recognize it unless you build your own business from the ground up and earn an “honorary” degree.

And if you can afford to do that, you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth.

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

You don't need a degree for tons of careers, even well paying ones. There's also tons of people who get a degree and then do the bare minimum of learning afterwards.

[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 5 points 7 months ago

This is how work is. I detox in the evening by forgetting work. Meet friends, play video games, etc. There have been good books on managing stress, and they all tell you to detox during the private time.