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The U.S. economy is booming. So why are tech companies laying off workers?::undefined

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[–] eskimofry@lemmy.world 42 points 8 months ago

The answer is that in this context "Economy" means the stock price of billionaires' vested companies, not the prosperity of a common citizen (a.k.a peasant)

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 42 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Using out of touch metrics that say nothing about how the median household is doing is not helpful.

On the other hand if you measure by how much the shareholders are getting richer, the layoffs are exactly why the economy is considered booming. Record layoffs lead to record short term profits for the wealthy few.

Combined with billions in weapons being ordered and produced, oil producing competition being crushed, while gimping Europs growth. The Chinese hurting from the Evergrande debacle and the lithography embargo.

Plenty of reasons for the US as an entity to celebrate.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 14 points 8 months ago

Layoffs hurt GDP generally, but GDP doesn't really care as long as "value" is created elsewhere. Like you said, none of the measurements they use care about the median income. It's usually just generic measurements of "value" that don't mean anything for the people of a nation.

[–] podperson@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago

It’s pretty clear to me that many companies are jumping on the layoff bandwagon right now since so many others are doing it too (doesn’t look as bad if your layoffs are drowned out in the noise). Easy way to increase profitability (on paper) and not look quite as bad if “everyone else is doing it.”

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago (39 children)

The US Economy is only booming for rich people.

The past 40 years have shown me that no matter how well the economy is doing in the news, it doesnt mean shit for most Americans.

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[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

"The stock market is booming". Fixed the first part of the title for you.

As for why all of the layoffs? Because in the short term it usually causes the quoted bit above.

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 23 points 8 months ago
  • Companies value short term gains not long term projects
  • COVID overhiring
  • Salaries are too high for peons, they are trying to readjust
  • Market is spooked due to the interest rates and SVB collapse
  • New product offerings are not exciting consumers
  • The belief AI developments can offer performance improvments
  • The belief AI developments can weather regulatory scrutiny
[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It's a bunch of stuff.

The big companies all seriously upped their hiring game when COVID sent everybody work from home and all of a sudden a nice, cheap, workforce opened up all over the place. It's not that they're overstaffed at this point, but now that they can say look they're doing it over there too! The market's rough! A lot of big places have decided it's a good time to shed souls. They now have the opportunity to cut the more expensive people and the underperforming people, at the same time they get to increase their margins and improve their stock performance.

Interest rates are up so money's not free anymore (for the time being), advertising on the internet's getting harder due to legislation and public sentiment. SEO is getting harder. Everyone's dumping every available dollar they have into AI hoping to win big at buzzword bingo. Wages are starting to catch up to inflation they're paying more for what people they have. And honestly it's just an easy time for them to grab an extra couple of bucks.

A great number of the big guys probably are about to take a bath in corporate real estate.

There's also a another possible recession sitting around the corner. I believe there's already talk of the feds cutting rates again for a bit to try to side step it.

Honestly most of the stuff isn't really that new. But when Microsoft decides to do it, Google says hey that's a good idea let's do it! Everybody else is going to jump on board. Three - six months from now (assuming we're not mid recession) they'll probably be taking out billboards and reengaging bring a friend incentives again.

[–] ferralcat@monyet.cc 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Tech needs to unionize. The only way to fight this is just to have the entire workforce walk out.

[–] Kushia@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago

I've said this for years but my colleagues are all hooked on chasing payrises for themselves and won't work collectively because they think it'll hurt them doing that.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago

And honestly it’s just an easy time for them to grab an extra couple of bucks.

This is what it is. You didn't have to say more than this. The soulless husks that we know as directors want more money for themselves.

[–] Tristaniopsis@aussie.zone 19 points 8 months ago

Because they’re greedy cunts and they want more profit.

[–] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

because capitalism is not about the workers, not about the quality of the product, and not about helping anyone. It doesn't give a shit about anyone except whichever monkey is on top, and would argue vehemently against the suggestion that it should.

I'd go so far as to say that what it IS about, is not being human. Perhaps it's about becoming a dragon? but even that implies some degree of personality. Capitalism is unrelenting, banal evil, for the sake of being evil, with an endless litany of specious lies to justify its utterly retarded bullshit.

[–] PilferJynx@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

I've always said capitalism and corporations are anti-social. They make society worse for profit.

[–] wabafee@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

Booming for the rich?

[–] VubDapple@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Laying people off is a way to juice the stock price in the short term. So perhaps the "economy is booming" because of the layoffs?

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[–] notannpc@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (6 children)

The same reason everything costs more without there being inflation, greed and the never ending desire to make the line go up. At the end of the day that’s all a publicly traded company cares about. Line go up. They will do whatever they can legally, or hidden from legal scrutiny to make that happen.

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[–] sundray@lemmus.org 12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I asked an executive this very question, and he said that the board was getting pressure from stock-holders to reduce headcounts, and justifying that pressure by pointing to other large companies who had already undertaken massive layoffs, and the resulting rise in their stock prices. In this way layoffs become a game of follow the leader -- or like a contagion. "Google just fired a third of their workforce, why are we doing that? We should do what they did, look how successful they are."

[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Executive decision-making is like ChatGPT, but even dumber.

[–] ramblinguy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

Ugh well hopefully there will come a point when there's not actually enough people to layoff anymore. Then maybe the game of follow the leader will stop. Or maybe another one starts up where they start over hiring again, who knows

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[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 8 points 8 months ago (8 children)

Money isn't free anymore and they have a lot of debt

And

Elon broke the seal on firing huge swaths of a tech workforce to make your numbers look better.

[–] CountVon@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Elon broke the seal on firing huge swaths of a tech workforce to make your numbers look better.

Don't give him too much credit, it's hardly the first time the tech sector has gone through this cycle. Elon had to do it because he massively overpaid for Twitter. The fact that his layoffs came at the front of this wave is probably just coincidence.

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[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

Because they hired too many

[–] angelsomething@lemmy.one 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The layoffs are precisely why the “economy” is “booming”.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Nah, reducing costs in one relatively small sector doesn't affect the GDP or other national-level metrics.

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[–] ME5SENGER_24@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Tech is a cost center (in most cases) not a revenue center so despite us being an invaluable resource, IT jobs are generally the first cut when investors need to be paid

[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago

...Searches for the word "union" in the article...

Yeah it's propaganda.

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