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The Virginia House of Delegates approved an assault weapons ban on a party line vote Friday.

Fairfax County Democratic Del. Dan Helmer’s bill would end the sale and transfer of assault firearms manufactured after July 1, 2024. It also prohibits the sale of certain large capacity magazines.

“This bill would stop the sale of weapons similar to those I and many of the other veterans carried in Iraq and Afghanistan,” Helmer said.

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[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

This will only embolden the feral hogs.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Uh-oh, I know what the next Cody Showdy is going to be about...

[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Usually we just call them 'Republicans' or '2a nuts'.

[–] Hazzia@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Idk "feral hogs" feels like it really cuts to the core sentiment

[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Might be insulting to the feral hogs though

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[–] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 9 months ago (4 children)

What are the odds a court deems this unconstitutional?

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

that question depends on when glenn youngkin is up for re-election

[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

I'd argue that you could ban anything that you don't have to manually pack gunpowder into.

That's what was available when the constitution was penned.

You don't even need to ban the guns. Just ban bullets.

[–] mipadaitu@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

That's a bad precedent to set. There are certainly reasons why this can be upheld, but saying that anything new is by default banned unless explicitly allowed is the opposite of what it states in the constitution.

That would allow for decisions like the freedom of speech doesn't exist on the internet because the internet didn't exist when the constitution was penned.

[–] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 months ago

A potential loophole: many rifle owners save money by pressing their own cartridges. The tools required are a bit pricey but not out of reach for the average person. You'd have to use some careful wording to ban home made bullets but not muzzleloaders.

[–] ABoxOfPhotons@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

That's a word they'd use but the actual reasons would not be mentioned as mentioning them would be damaging to the collective American psyche.

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[–] schwim@reddthat.com 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I wonder what database is in place that would allow them to determine what weapons were made after that date. It seems there would be a lot room for getting around that aside from just buying used.

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (8 children)

When a firearm is manufactured by a licensed individual or company, it is logged into a book or database. When a firearms retailer receives a firearm, they log it into a book or database. When that firearm is sold, it is logged into a book or database. That is federal law.

Some manufacturers include the date of manufacture with paperwork, but that may only be month and year.

To my knowledge, there is no way for an FFL(licensed firearm retailer) to know a precise date of manufacture without inquiring with the manufacturer if it is not provided with the documents that are supplied.

The law is poorly written, so the real-world effect would be no new sales of specified firearms after the effective date. How restricting the sale of new firearms and not all firearms of the type that they want to restrict does anything is outside of my understanding.

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (15 children)

weapons similar to those I and many of the other veterans carried in Iraq and Afghanistan

And so what? Americans have always had equivalent, or better, rifles than the military. (I know nothing about the presenter, been told he's rightwing, but there are no political opinions presented.)

So why is weapon choice suddenly a problem? We had AR-15s when I was a child in the 70s. If you would like a weapon that passes this ban, let me introduce the Ruger Mini-14.

FFS, we have a social problem, not a gun problem.

Liberals: "We want gun bans! Lotsa bans!"

Uh, that backfired over alcohol, drugs and abortion...

Liberals: "STFU! BANS!"

Our society is sick, and dems are fighting a losing battle and losing votes. FFS, these idiots could win every election if they would drop these ineffectual bans and get on board with helping us.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 3 points 9 months ago

Gun violence: a co-location of guns and violence.

We can get rid of the violence without getting rid of the guns. (Guns have different effects on violence depending on how you ask the question, by the way.)

Anyway, policies I support that would reduce gun violence that have nothing to do with guns:

*Medicare for all

*Walkable towns of all sizes

*Ban right to work

*Increase in convenient public hang out spaces

*After school group therapy

*$20 minimum wage

*Ban single family housing zoning

*Ban single use residential zoning

*Night sky safe lighting

*Sugar tax

*End corn subsidies

*Mixed agriculture subsidies

*The world's fastest bullet train network

*Ban gas and oil (with change-over subsidies)

*Require biodegradable packaging

*Prosecute wage theft

*Narrow police responsibilities and hand off functions to other groups (E.G. social workers and traffic-specific ticketters)

*Ban bail

*Ban shit tons of stuff surrounding probation/parole

*Ban charging inmates or their families for anything

*Ban civil asset forfeiture

*Rehabilitative prison

*Provide school lunch

*Free college

*House the homeless

*Fund public defenders at the same rate as prosecutors

*Tighter noise pollution laws

*Probably other stuff

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Liberals: Ok, let's fund mental healthcare or a social safety net to solve that social problem.

The same people complaining about this law: REE!! Communism, socialism, trans pedophiles in bathrooms...

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Don't give me that shit.

I lived in Chicago for over a decade. Chicago has been a Democratic supermajority city, in a Democratic supermajority state for something like 100 years. Under Democratic mayors and aldermen, community mental health and resources were slashed. (I know this because my therapist had been community mental health working with people that were chronically homeless until his position was eliminated by budget cuts.) To social safety nets have been consistently cut, while cops get more and more funding. Public housing? Good fucking luck, there was a 15 year wait when I was living there. The city is still deeply racially divided from the 1960s or so, when redlining was legally eliminated (but lemme tell you, legally ended or not, it's still very, very real).

If Dems really wanted these things in fact, and not in theory, they could have them in Illinois, in New York, in Massachusetts, in New Jersey, in California, in Hawai'i. But they don't. Instead they want gun ban band-aids that fix none of the problems that cause the violence in the first place.

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[–] quindraco@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's theater. They want to seem as if they're doing something about the problem, so they pass laws that sure do seem like they're relevant if you pay zero attention, in the hope the public is appeased. How appeased the public actually is, I have no idea.

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[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

FFS, we have a social problem, not a gun problem.

Then when you're all done fixing those social problems, you can have your guns back.

If you don't like idea, jump in your time machine and fuck off back to the 70s.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

with that attitude, let's do the same for automotives. Back to horse and buggy everyone, too many drunk and crazy aggressive drivers, too many needless deaths. Guess we should just ban em all!

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Cool, now lets do speech, religion, unreasonable search and seizure, right to remain silent, drinking, and voting. Until every single person out of 350M people in the US can use those rights in a way that is deemed socially acceptable, they should be completely eliminated.

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[–] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Hand guns are where the actual violence is. This is theater.

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (41 children)

The problem that I have is, "what is an assault style weapon?" because a ruger 10/22 looks like this, but if you put a scope on it and get the black version, it looks like this. If you put a pistol grip on it and a larger magazine, it looks like this, but it's all the same gun. It does the same things. The shape of the magazine does not affect the gun in any way aside from more ammo. But you don't have to get a banana clip to do that.

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[–] Zevlen@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

From reading all the comments; sometimes I get the feeling that Lemmy has more conservative members than liberal / leftist type

Is it just me or... ?

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

Pro-gun isn't just a conservative/republican thing.

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