Technology

No, I don't want corporate social networks who farm data.

It's probably a good idea to limit/defederate with this when it shows up, as it's a vector for EEE and Meta will be doing the usual data collection shit they do with their users, but now with Fediverse users as well. They just got hit with a big fine for violating the GDPR.

Why would you join when you can just follow the accounts that interest you on it from Lemmy or Mastodon/Pleroma/Akkoma/etc ???

Meta's main income stream is data mining and they will take advantage of federation to collect data (not metadata, but human-generated content is still very valuable for AI model training) of users on federated instances. Any content that federates over to this instance will be cached on Meta servers where they can do whatever they like with it. There is no legal data protection framework for content retrieved from federated networks and Meta's lawyers will try to argue that federating with this platform counts as giving consent to the platform's TOS. Meta platforms introduce lots of advertising and bots to the network. Don't just ignore this platform, give them the Gab treatment.

This is from the company that weights anger five times higher than likes for its algorithm. The one that is trying to force feed me "shorts" with no ability to opt out. So much of the Facebook experience is non-consensual. I wouldn't touch another platform from them.

It will use activity pub....... until it gets adoption and then it will close the doors like they did with XMPP. Also its Facebook so anything they touch should be avoided like the plague. They have proven time and time again they are not to be trusted, they were in the Snowden docs & they have had numerous lawsuits against them.

https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/10/31/20940532/edward-snowden-facebook-nsa-whistleblower

"and if you don't know , now you know"

Absolutely not

It depends. How much porn are we talking?

Meta LOL absolute No!

I genuinely believe this could be successful.

Mastodon STILL has UX issues, and the rest of ActivityHub and the Fediverse are impenetrable to the average person. That will change over time, but in the meantime, I can't even get people to use Signal for god's sake, let alone explain which Lemmy instance is best for them.

I still have an Instagram because my friends do. Without Instagram DMs and iMessage, I lose real life connections. If they fold in a Twitter-esque client to Instagram, that I can interact with from Mastodon if I want? That sounds like a really strong value proposition to me, and is the only way your non-techy friends are joining this parade any time soon.

But also, we've got to make sure these massive companies don't snuff out what Lemmy and Mastodon are building. There's a group of suits somewhere right now thinking of how to monetise this platform, and we need to be prepared for that.

They said it will be able to connect with Mastodon, so there is zero need imho. I guess it's more aimed at the casual user who doesn't care much about data collection.

What I wonder more tho, how is Meta planning on not getting blocked by most Mastodon servers out of fear they'll go grab all data possible from any server they federate with? Most Mastodon users aren't exactly pro-Meta and pro-give all your data away...

Meta? Absolutely fucking not.

It’s Meta, you might as well ask ‘should the henhouse accept the fox’s invitation to a hearty banquet this evening?’

If it is federated, I don't need to join.
If it is NOT federated, I don't want to join.

It will use ActivityPub.

When the Twitter exodus to Mastodon happened at the end of last year, everyone was speculating what would happen if Google would enable Activity Pub for Gmail and suddenly every Gmail user would be able to post (and what would happen after they start monetizing it with ads).

That never happened but this is the first time one of the billion dollar tech giants has actively published their intention of creating something in the fedi-space. And of course it has to be Meta. One of the shadiest of the "big tech".

I'm extremely skeptical of their good intentions and I'm a bit worried about what will happen to fediverse after all those 1.2 billion MAU's start flooding the protocol.

Meta has the capacity to make really evil products, let's not start the EEE treadmill.

so just twitter but owned by meta, nah fam im good

Hard pass. Meta doesn't need any more of my data.

It will use ActivityPub

Embrace, extend, extinguish.

Trusting this thing would always be a bad idea.

I have little hope if any that this will actually be a meaningful replacement for Twitter or even a competitor in the micro-blogging world. But it being Meta ESPECIALLY makes me reluctant to even try it.

I know this is not the right audience for this, but that is an exceptional move on Meta's side, and the timing is perfect. Meta has produced so much garbage with the metaverse and all that stuff, so this seems like the first good idea they had in a while.

i'm sure this has to have appeal for someone, but i can't think a person this less appeals to than me. i literally only use twitter because it's incredibly useful for following happenings pretty much anywhere, and i cannot imagine anybody i care about is going to full-time switch to this platform. people are struggling to even switch to Jack's exact clone!!

@cih I hope it gets defederated from most of the network. Meta is internet cancer and should be contained.

It seems to me that the only reason Meta would embrace ActivityPub is so they can federate and scrape our data from the fediverse. Not only would I not use their platform, but I would block my instance from federating with them.

After how pleasant I'm finding Lemmy, if I ever get the urge to join a short-form social site I'll use Mastodon.

Facebook is literally the last company I would join for this.

Fuck meta

nope lol. last thing this world needs is "twitter... AGAIN!" (and that's coming from someone who actually uses bluesky). best thing i can hope for is that it won't be an embrace, extend, extinguish scheme for activitypub.

I avoid all things Facebook like the plague.

I'm not sure who I trust less to run a social platform -- muskrat or bookface.

I don't want anything else related to Meta...

I stopped using Fb years ago and had to use it again not long ago because I moved countries and the demographic here can't stop using Fb/Instagram/Whatsapp for everything related to business.

But if it uses ActivityPub (and from my understanding that's decentralized), couldn't I just use my Mastodon account to interact with people there? Would that mean that my Instagram (or, in this case, "Threads") account can potentially communicate with Mastodon accs as well?

No

Not if Meta is managing it. I don't particularly trust them with my data so I'm not going out of my way to give it to them

While Meta are obviously bad news, it is cool to see ActivityPub getting traction from the big players.

But no, definitely not for me. Mastodon is just fine.

The Meta Plan:

1. We're going to use ActivityPub because we love the Fediverse!!!
2. Now we're live, here's some improvements to AP, now they're not standard but we're working closely with the AP guys. It would help if you all pleaded with them to accept these changes- they're just to make things better!
3. Yay! All the changes were implemented and we've formed the AP Council, we might invite some of the old AP guys to it.

I hate Meta even more than Twitter, so no.

ITT: nope, not touching anything touched by Zuckerberg.

I avoid everything by Meta, so I won't be using it no matter what.

“We’ve been hearing from creators and public figures who are interested in having a platform that is sanely run, that they believe that they can trust and rely upon for distribution,”

I think someone hasn't been paying attention to the reputation of Facebook. Between Cambridge Analytica, being used to stir civil unrest, spreading Q-anon conspiracy theories to all the boomers, and fostering an entire genocide in Myanmar, Facebook has lost a lot of trust.

I do think it's fascinating that they are hopping on the ActivityPub bandwagon though.

My take on this:

If it didn't support ActivityPub: Why would I? I could just use twitter. If it does support ActivityPub: Why wouldn't I just use Mastodon that is ad free and doesn't try to invade my privacy?

Staying away from facebook and its companies always has been a good bet for privacy. It's not going to change anytime soon.

How many social network do they need to have?