Too bad if you're already booked and the airline company changes the plane on you...
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I don't want to filter out the max8/max8 planes because of bad pitot tubes or blowouts or nosedives.
I want to filter them out because even on a good day they're horribly appointed terrible airplanes with absolutely nothing redeeming about them.
And I fly the fancy seats.
The fact they even HAVE a configuration where the back loo is right next to the galley with an open-air American-style bathroom partition separating the two, that should get someone arrested.
I thought generally the configuration of seats and galleys and toilets was up to the airline and they were pretty much modular?
Seems like a smart function. I would not feel safe in a Boeing at the moment.
I will just drive my Tesla instead. So much safer.
thought you were serious for a second, for those who aren't getting the joke, driving your car is thousands of times more dangerous than taking a plane flight
But all those articles about Boeing issues will get more people to drive. It's ironic how fighting for higher flying safety standards can kill people. The surplus in car crash fatalities in the months after 9/11 was higher than the number of passengers on all the planes involved.
We need more trains in North America. From my experience between planes, trains, and automobiles (and boats) trains have been the best experience.
They’d also be the easiest to make self-driving.
Don’t want to deal with things like lane changes, identifying traffic signals, erratic drivers, etc? Just focus on self driving trains instead. They go back and forth on a set path, on a set schedule, and can automatically watch for things like people/animals/debris on the tracks, electronically receive stop/go signals, etc…
All the focus is on self-driving cars, when it really should be on trains.
I’m one of those people that likes to get a window seat and occasionally check out the views and marvel at what is really going on at that moment.
But the flying experience sucks. If there was an option to chill in a comfy train to replace short and medium flights, I would be right there with you.
It really is insane how many people’s perception of safety is so completely opposite to reality.
I don't think I have ever seen a bolt randomly fall off my car.
And have you ever seen a bolt fall off a plane you were flying on?
Can't say that I have but it is not really comparable since I would notice random ass fucking bolts in my driveway.
When being ironic, don't forget of Poe's Law
People on lemmy are smart, they will get it. Right?
Some people on lemmy are smart, likely a higher ratio than many other sites, but there's still a ridiculous surplus of fools
And all those smart people still have incredibly stupid opinions outside their areas of expertise. Everyone is a moron in the wrong context.
I'd posit a well rounded education doesn't necessarily agree with that. You don't need a professional education in a topic to be able to provide a decent opinion, it's just that many people opt not to work on their own educations and prefer to be spoon fed materials, and it's this behaviour that produces morons in almost every context, rather than individuals that have problematic views in a few topics.
I was just thinking about this lastnight; I don't fly often, but next time I do, I'll be paying attention to which plane is actually used and avoiding the max.
I've never paid any attention to the plane model before.
Boeing fucked up pretty big with this plane if even those that pretty much never fly are thinking this way.
Boeing is literally making planes that don't fly.
They don't deserve to be in business.
I don't see the 737 Max being taken off the market even with these options and rebranding wont help as airlines will still list the new model which will be publicly announced by Boeing. So what's the market adjustment going to be? Cheaper fare? I can honestly see people surging to buy a seat on this deathcraft if prices fall enough. It'll be like choosing between organic and pesticide-riddled.
How about just Boeing entirely? The Max planes have been problematic, but what about the 757's having doors blow open mid flight or missing bolts or loose bolts? The issue with Boeing is getting so bad, Bombardier in Canada is starting to actually do business again.
Not to give Boeing any slack but what 757 had it's door blown open? The only one I can find was DHL 757 which had its cargo door open during flight. Boeing had nothing to do with that incident as the plane originally left the factory in a passenger jet. Later in the aircraft's life it was converted into a freighter by Precision Conversions LLC. This wasn't even a door plug situation like with AS1282 as the conversion process preformed by Precision Conversions LLC requires cutting a rather large hole in the fuselage for the cargo door. The other thing is Boeing hasn't produced a 757 since 2004, any manufacturering defect thats made it twenty years before causing issues is pretty impressive.
Also bombardier currently only makes business jets. The closest plane bombardier has ever made to competing with Boeing was the C series however those jets were designed for regional flights which is a sector of the industry Boeing doesn't really compete in outside of the 737 max 7. On top of that because of shady deals bombardier orchestrated Boeing got very scared and lobbied the department of commerce to enact a 292% import tariff on the C series. Due to the tariffs Bombardier ended up completely selling the C series to airbus in 2020 who rebranded it to the A220.
So strange - can’t find the Max 9 filter option on their app or website.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A leading online travel agent has added filters to let users exclude flights that use Boeing’s troubled 737 Max planes, after a piece of fuselage falling off an Alaska Airlines flight led to a surge of user interest in avoiding the airliners.
Following the Alaska Airlines incident, it says there was a 15-fold increase in use of the original filter, prompting it to rework the setting, making it more prominent on the search page and adding the ability to distinguish between 737 Max 8 and Max 9 planes, since only the latter has been grounded by America’s Federal Aviation Administration.
The surge of interest in the new feature demonstrates the unusual extent to which typical travellers are actively avoiding the 737 Max planes.
Such filters are more commonly used by regular travellers with esoteric preferences around particular seat locations on various planes, rather than a broad-brush fear of an entire family of jets.
On Sunday, the FAA expanded its scrutiny of Boeing jets to another, older model of 737, the 737-900ER, which it says uses a similar door design.
“The safety of the flying public, not speed, will determine the timeline for returning these aircraft to service,” it said.
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Seems small but something like this could kill this plane as a passenger jet if enough people are avoiding em.
I'm all for it to be honest. The 737 Max sounds like a death trap, and until Boeing is banned from certifying their own planes nobody should be flying in these IMO.
The FAA needs to start certifying these themselves again, and remove the existing loopholes/exemptions that allow some design changes to avoid recertification
If it's not Boeing then who? Santoclose? Airbus? China?
Obviously they fucked up. Unfortunately they are the competition. This is what happens when there's a monopoly.
I say, fuck Google and Amazon and get those monopolies in check.
If it’s not Boeing then who? Santoclose? Airbus? China?
Airbus. Easy answer. I’d rather fly on an A320 than a 737 anyway, especially an A320neo vs 737max.
Why not Airbus? They're the largest manufacturer in the world by market share. Boeing is not a monopoly.
You lack perspective. I'm literally sitting in an office looking out to the big ass Boeing facility right here. Like imagine me just walking over and telling them "hey you don't know how to make airplanes". That's a fucking retarded comment. As much as I don't like the company....well more like I'm just ambivalent about them since I have no business with them and they don't affect my every day life in a direct way...other than food, deliveries and people I talk to, yeah they, Boeing are important to the local and the national economy. So it's short sighted to say let's shit down the company. If you were an engineer and got a letter accepting you for a position at Boeing, you would be thrilled to accept. The technology and know how you would earn would be a once in a lifetime experience....but somehow they can't make airplanes? No fuckin way. It's their management. Change management.
Did you reply to the wrong comment or something?
I didn't say anything about Boeing not being able to make aeroplanes. Only a note of surprise that the parent comment would dismiss Airbus as an alternative manufacturer of aeroplanes when they are the largest manufacturer of aeroplanes in the world.
I'm stoked to hear that you live near a Boeing factory though. That must be very exciting for you.
Yeah, imagine thinking..... hmmm is that a plane? Or a falling tire? Or a safety door?
My first thought after the door incident was that I hope this brings the price down of air travel, looks like that's happening
I dunno I would still fly on a Boeing for a discount