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Bill Gates wants ultra-wealthy individuals to pay more tax — and now a growing chorus of billionaires agree.

In his annual "Ask Me Anything" forum on Reddit last year, the Microsoft cofounder said he was "surprised" that taxes for the rich haven't been increased more.

Gates doubled down on his calls to tax the rich in a panel at the World Economic Forum in Davos this week. He said the wealthiest nations should donate more money to developing countries to help redress inequality.

"Those who have the most — whether it's countries, companies, or individuals — should be pushed to be more generous," he said.

It seems others agree, as more than 250 ultra-wealthy people signed an open letter calling for global leaders to impose a wealth tax.

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[–] ono@lemmy.ca 178 points 7 months ago (3 children)

How about backing up that letter with some lobbyists?

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 80 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Ads. We need these folks taking out issues ads, raising the profile of taxing the ultra-rich.

Hi, I'm Bill Gates, and I am spending more on this ad campaign than I paid in taxes.

Paid for by Bill Gates

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (5 children)

As long as it is only a letter other billionaires don't care. They know it's lip service.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 30 points 7 months ago

Yep, who cares what these billionaires say.

Other billionaires are spending tens or hundreds of millions on lobbyists to prevent tax.

If they want it to change, they need to pay some lobbyists too.

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[–] AlteredStateBlob@kbin.social 96 points 7 months ago (4 children)

"I'm surprised the thing me and my ilk have been actively working against hasn't magically happened despite our massive efforts to the opposite effect."

Bet you Bill thinks these kinds of publicity stunts will exclude him from being eaten, when we go to eat the rich.

[–] Aatube@kbin.social 16 points 7 months ago (11 children)

Just curious, how has he worked against it?

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 49 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Irrelevant to this tax thing but Bill Gates still helping known patent trolls obtain more patents

Bill Gates is widely known for massive hypocrisy. And funneling his "Charity" money into vaccine companies he owns himself. And buying up an insane amount of farm land during Covid.

If Bill Gates says something you can bet that he's doing the exact opposite. There's a reason that this "charity man" somehow keeps getting richer.

[–] AlteredStateBlob@kbin.social 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Is he funding lobbyists to affect this kind of change? No.
Is he employing top tier accountants to make sure he doesn't pay his fair share like the poors? Betcha.
Does he funnel his wealth into charitable foundations that are a tax write off leading to him getting money rather than having to pay it, while it stays in an eco system he has full control over? Betcha.
Is he buying expensive art, property, etc. to incur expenses that are tax write offs? Betcha.

Since I'm not a Billionaire, I won't be able to tell you all the ways that cunt is 100% pushing for a status quo while putting out fluff pieces like these that make him look good while doing literally nothing to affect the change he supposedly wants.

Wouldn't even be surprised if this was something to get out ahead of some revelations about tax evasion, so if you ever search up Bill Gates taxes, all you get is this curated nonsense of what a stand up good lad he is, trying oh so hard to pay his fair share. Why won't anyone take his money? Poor Bill. Must be hard not getting taxed and being utterly powerless to do anything about that. Shucks. Now he has to go another decade without ever coming close to paying his fair share.

Oh, also garbage takes like these, where he publicly opposed new tax plans - but it's fine, it was all cute and the audience laughed and he payed soooo much, sooo many taxes. https://youtu.be/dXxP4S_WwS0

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[–] Haus@kbin.social 75 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Buy a few Republicans and let's make it happen, Billy Boy.

[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago (2 children)

They're surprisingly cheap too

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[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 64 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Says the guy that fought tooth and nail for MRNA vaccination patents to remain private. Yeah pay taxes but maybe don't make the money to begin with.

actions > words

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[–] zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 61 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (6 children)

People are right to point out that he should not simply cut a check to the government, instead he should lobby for higher wealth taxes like he lobbies for patents or voucher schools. Anything less is just free PR.

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[–] gencha@lemm.ee 53 points 7 months ago (8 children)

Says the guy who funnels his entire wealth through a foundation to avoid paying any taxes. Just like he told Epstein to do. Love you Bill

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 28 points 7 months ago (4 children)

But you see, he deserves it for stealing all that work and ideas from other people

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[–] daniyeg@lemmy.ml 37 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"i know you guys are upset at us fucking over all of you, but i assure you if you let us continue being petty tyrants with vast fortunes, we might give a marginally bigger sum of it back to the government, which will still spend it on whatever we tell it to anyway. win win!"

i don't want you to be more generous, i want you to be gone. if anyone proposed a plan that would actually affect them i doubt they would still support a wealth tax.

[–] cgarret3@lemm.ee 9 points 7 months ago

“Generous” is the noteworthy takeaway. Either ‘currency’ belongs to society and some people hoard it instead of circulating it, or ‘the world’ ‘belongs’ to a very select few people.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 35 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Dear Bill,

Would you be up for taxing charities owned by billionaires?

Sincerely yours

[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Charities are such an obvious money laundering scheme. "Philanthropy" my ass, it's always tax evasion, all of this is just for the gallery.

Source: https://ips-dc.org/report-true-cost-of-billionaire-philanthropy/?mc_cid=bfa8894a28

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[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 33 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Imagine if a wealthy individual, who believes that the wealthy should be taxed more, actually used their wealth to take out TV commercials in all states/provinces advocating for the increase in taxes for the wealthy, actually trying to sway the political mindset in a big way with the power they have via their wealth.

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[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago (1 children)

After he has already used a "charity" he created to tax shelter most of his money...

[–] underisk@lemmy.ml 18 points 7 months ago

He has more money now than when he started giving “virtually all” of it away to (his) charity. This doesn’t stop rubes from using his fauxlanthropy as some kind of proof that not all billionaires are evil.

[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 28 points 7 months ago (7 children)

They can flap their lips all they want, I won't believe them til they lobby for it and it gets changed.

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[–] SuiXi3D@kbin.social 28 points 7 months ago (11 children)

Literally nothing is stopping any of them from cutting a massive check to the government. This is lip service to stop people from hating on the billionaire class.

[–] monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 37 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Except the issue is systemic. You have a percentage of mega wealthy who simply don’t even pay their share. A few billionaires sending a large check to the government doesn’t fix anything. They could but until we change the way we handle taxes for the wealthy, we have a systemic problem we need to fix.

Speaking out that all the rich should pay more helps (maybe) make the case that those making hella bank should pay more.

Your statement is a bit of a straw man which doesn’t actually address the fact that the mega rich aren’t paying their fair share.

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[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago

I don't believe shit they say, if they say "go ahead and tax me" it's because they've got a way out so they won't have to, somehow.

[–] rusticus@lemm.ee 26 points 7 months ago (4 children)

TL/DR; The super wealthy own the politicians so much they can tell them to do something that they will never do. Democracy is a fool's word.

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[–] muelltonne@feddit.de 22 points 7 months ago

Dear Bill,

the german government has a banking account where you can send them money, no questions asked. Feel free to send over your fair share of taxes you are avoiding by routing the Microsoft profits from Germany via Luxembourg and other tax havens.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 20 points 7 months ago

Too late, compost these fuckers.

[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 18 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Pretty sure I've seen this exact story about every 5 years for the last 20 years. It looks to me at this point like wealth apologism.

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[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago (2 children)

But not him, he doesn’t have a lot of money. He donated all of it to charity which he is the founding member of and has an exclusive rights on using resources they have. Thus some money gets used yearly for charity, but significantly less than if it was taxed, the rest is kept for when he needs it. The most common way for rich to avoid taxation. So now every time you see some rich dude donating almost all of their wealth to charity… they are creating a banking institution without tax.

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[–] TIMMAY@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Bill Gates should either shut his stupid fucking mouth or put his insanely exorbitant amount of money where that stupid fucking mouth is. Oh, he is a philanthropist and supports many causes and charities? No, he is an ultra wealthy individual who hordes his insane amount of wealth and has so much of it that he can casually drop seven plus figures in to any cause he wants, collect accolades from the public for it, and make that money back by the end of the fucking hour. Fuck bill gates

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[–] Twelve20two@slrpnk.net 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Put up or shut up, Bill. And don't get me started on all the land you own

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[–] CobblerScholar@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Okay then like do it, if you want to pay more money to the government then just fucking give it to them instead of fucking around with this dumb letter saying, "oh we promise we care about the peasan.... I mean poors.... I mean the financially disadvantaged"

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I can't actually picture how easily someone would just send a larger check to the IRS - it'd probably be kicked back to you as a tax refund if you filled your taxes correctly.

Much easier would be to found your own charity to get similar effects done - which, surprise, Gates already does. And I'm sure he doesn't just mean "I should be paying more taxes", he means "Everyone as wealthy as me", even if said other people don't agree with him.

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[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 11 points 7 months ago (8 children)

This is such a BS reply I see all the time. He does not want to give up his relative position. He wants folks at his position to pay their share. So he wants to retain a level playing field for competion for wealth but wealth should not come out of an ability to not pay taxes if you have the power to avoid it.

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[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

If billionaires really wanted higher taxes, they'd have higher taxes.

What they want is no taxes and to look like their hands are tied "I can't possibly pay taxes they won't take my money! It's not my fault it's the government. Damn them!"

While they spend millions of dollars a year lobbying to get their taxes reduced even further and passed on to the working class.

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[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 12 points 7 months ago

My nine year old: “My nails are sharp and they get stuck to my clothes”
Me: “You should cut them. Do you need any help?”
9 y.o.: “Please cut them even if I start crying”

Sometimes people need their nails cut for them and you should be happy to oblige even if they start crying. Though I think Bill’s waning moment bribes are more convincing than offering to do chores.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

For every one of him, there are probably thousands of neuvo riche and wannabe rich who say otherwise. It's an unfortunate truth.

[–] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 7 months ago (8 children)

No one is stopping you from giving money to the government.

You can make a gift to reduce public debt here: https://www.pay.gov/public/form/start/23779454

You can donate to the U.S. Government here: https://www.pay.gov/public/form/start/708094624

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[–] JoBo@feddit.uk 11 points 7 months ago

"should be pushed to be more generous"

Generosity my arse. Should be forced to pay their way. The rest of us cannot afford them.

[–] herrwoland@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

The fox thinks that we need a stronger hen security doors installed and the weasels agree 👏

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They always say shit like this then put all their money in charities or shell corporations overseas… this is just marketing. He could easily pay more taxes right now if he wanted to.

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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (5 children)

You can voluntarily overpay taxes. Put your money where your mouth is Bill.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 23 points 7 months ago

There are some rich people who recognize that higher taxes are actually good for them in the long-term by increasing growth and decreasing income inequality (which in the long-term, leads to rolling heads). But it's a Prisoner's Dilemma style situation - if they, as individuals, donate additional wealth to the government, nothing happens except that their own wealth makes a tiny little drip in the ocean, and their competitors then benefit at no cost to themselves. But if the government imposes a uniform levy on them all, then the cost and the benefits are evenly applied, instead of one 'suffering' (and I use the term very loosely) and the others slightly benefiting.

My point here isn't to lionize them, because ultimately most of them are voicing this opinion out of personal interest, not morality. But it is probably a sincerely held personal interest, rather than pantomime.

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[–] hark@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

So does this mean a wealth tax that will actually hit the rich or simply increasing income taxes that will be avoided by the rich as usual?

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[–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"if only someone would close the loop holes, but alack, they remain and the accountants force me to use them, what ever is to become of poor rich Bill"

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sad bit is, you don't even have to use loopholes. Certain forms of income that are more common amongst the wealthy are simply less taxed than regular income.

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