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A Boring Dystopia

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[–] runjun@lemmy.world 106 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Y’all organizing at a local and national level? I have major major issues with the current system but unless there’s clear actionable things to do now, then all this post does is discourage change and voting against actual fascists.

[–] FunkyMonk@kbin.social 33 points 7 months ago

Thank you, I get very burnt out repeating how both sidesism has fucked USA over.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Start/join a food not bombs, help your neighbours clear their outdoor space/get to an appointment/fix their computer/whatever your skillset and time allows, contribute to a strike fund, spread propaganda online or on the streets via posters stickers and flyers, those and so much more are "clear actionable things to do now". That is what revolution looks like, it isn't all blowing up pipelines and setting police stations on fire, it starts with you and your community. Start with solidarity instead of expecting others to produce a ready made revolution for you, and within the existing system? That's completely missing the point..

[–] crandlecan@mander.xyz 12 points 7 months ago
[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 10 points 7 months ago

Local level and state level are achievable goals and align with the game theory presented in our government.

Anyone thinking nationally does not recognize the scale of the problem they're dealing with.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.social 3 points 7 months ago

I'm a big fan of direct action. Find your local representative and leave a burning bag of dog shit on their door step. I'll leave ringing the doorbell up to your discretion.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 76 points 7 months ago (14 children)

Yes, if you vote on issues that matter to you, things change.

That is voting.

That is why Trump was booted out of office. Because of voting.

[–] AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Trump didn't get into office because he got the most votes.

In fact voting as important as it is doesn't actually decide what the government does. There was a whole Princeton study about this recently that your vote essentially has no impact on what the government chooses to do.

Voting is largely a public demonstration of how much we are willing to tolerate the government turning on us in any given year. The fewer people that show up to vote the more quickly we march towards fascist dystopia.

[–] Yearly1845@reddthat.com 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

"voting is stupid and doesn't do anything"

"Not voting leads fo fascism", ergo voting avoids fascism.

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[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Yes, in a democracy the elected government will not be the government that literally everyone voted for.

No, voting in the United States is not largely a public demonstration on how much we are willing to tolerate the government.

Yes, the fewer people that show up to vote, the more quickly we march towards fascist dystopia: exactly my point and exactly anathema to your false assertion that voting does not matter.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 53 points 7 months ago (20 children)

Quit trying to nullify votes.

[–] Umthisguy@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

Seriously. Like not voting is going to help more.

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[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 42 points 7 months ago (2 children)

You dont pay taxes because "maybe something nice will happen" you do it because it's the foundation of a functioning society that supports human livelihood. AND YES I KNOW things are not perfect but I still want fuckin libraries and fire stations and infrastructure maintenance and waste disposal and etc. you clown.

you likewise don't get an education and job because "maybe something nice will happen", you do it because you are passionate about what you do and because humans need purpose to live meaningful lives. if you picked some shitty career that doesn't do that for you, it's on you. unless you're really just struggling to make ends meet, but then you wouldn't be singing "maybe something nice" you'd be going "my kids wont starve to death"

and I'm guessing whoever made this meme never got involved in local politics... YES you can make your town better by voting. or as others said, it got a fucking insurrectionist out of highest office.

[–] GilgameshCatBeard@lemmy.ca 5 points 7 months ago

Welcome to the age of entitlement, where everting is owed to you.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I pay taxes to avoid going to jail.

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago (6 children)

if you're saying you're a libertarian whose only incentive to pay taxes is avoiding jail then cool I also like to play make believe

but in real life I am happy to pay taxes not to avoid punishment but because it makes society better

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Taxes can be used to make society better. Usually they're not used for that though. So I donate to charity, or give to people I care about.

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[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 32 points 7 months ago

Cynicism will kill the world faster than climate change tbh.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 23 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I am one of the most avid supporters of violent revolution on this platform and even I think you're fucking retarded for telling people not to vote, OP.

Everyone stop listening to that dipshit

Register to vote

Vote for the non-fascist candidate who won't destroy the country

And especially vote in local elections, because those are the ones that most greatly impact your life.

GO VOTE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BUST OUT THE GUILLOTINES.

[–] roscoe@startrek.website 6 points 7 months ago

Vote and volunteer in local elections. I think most people would be surprised how few resources campaigns for state legislature have. You and a few friends can make a huge difference. Volunteer for the Dem (out of necessity) primary candidate that wants to replace ftp voting with ranked choice or another similar system, and show up to meetings regardless of election cycle to give input. It wouldn't take much to get their resources up to the level of establishment candidates.

If a few good sized states could get this the others would get jealous about them having real choice and I believe it would start a snowball effect. It has to come from state legislatures though.

[–] EvolvedTurtle@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

I mean Subways bread is technically classified as cake

So I'm down for a French revolution

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

My favorite advice was by a youtuber that worked at HR on a big multinational, because he didn't sugarcoat it:

If you put in the effort, you can still fail and not get anywhere, but if you don't, I guarantee you will not get anywhere.

[–] dipshit@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You know what? This meme changed my entire political understanding of the world. Thank you sir! You’ve shown me that it’s better indeed to never vote. Because Q or something. Because Trump was always elected, always destined to be president since he was a wee little boy back in the year of our lord, 0.

Added to bio to avoid confusion.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

In 2024 in the United States we don't vote because of specific issues, rather we vote to stop (or further) the onset of an autocratic takeover.

If you want to affect issues, you approach the public and elected officials with data. You get those officials on video denying or lying which will increase their chances of getting primaried.

If necessary, you get radicalized and blow up oil pipelines. We're now at a stage where we legitimately consider sabotage of industry and state paramilitary operations.

Voting is necessary, but not to change policy, only to keep policy from deteriorating further.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

More specifically, the reason Joe Biden hasn't solved all our issues is the same reason Trump didn't immediately implement fascism. US politics is very specifically set up so that significant change requires longer term electoral success. This really isn't complicated for anyone now completely blinded by lazy cynicism.

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 10 points 7 months ago

I feel like some changes have happened for me

[–] TheControlled@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Please enlighten me on how to make change then?

[–] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Organize. Chances are that there is only a small amount of overlap between what you want and either candidate.Thanks to the first pass the post voting system, it is likely that both candidates favor decreasing rights and increase in corporate power.

Try to get different voting systems set up. Spread information about the problems of first pass the post. Spread information about the issues you care about. Push for local candidates.

[–] TheControlled@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lol sounds a lot like regular fucking democracy to me.

[–] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

Yeah, it's a bit more than casting your vote and then going home, that is because our democracy is weak.

To be clear, if all you can do is vote, do that, it's fine, but meaningful change will not happen if everyone just votes.

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[–] GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Fine, I'll just stop doing all that then

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[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Maybe my parents will die soon and I can take over their mortgage

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