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[–] balancedchaos@lemmy.world 70 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I bought an "analog" washing machine (I can't believe I just wrote that) because of simplicity. The more complicated something is, the more difficult it is to repair, and the more potential points of failure there are.

[–] Rhaedas@kbin.social 25 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Buy a used older model if you need a machine. Because it's cheaper, because it is more basic in its components, because those parts are probably cheaper to buy and replace yourself if need be, and mainly because someone is selling it at its age because it STILL works. Anything tied to a circuit board with a processor is a time bomb.

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You will not get a washing machine without processor, let alone PCB. Processors also hardly ever fail. It is stuff like the voltage conversion which powers the logic side, the actual power switches for the motor, capacitors or simply stuff that corrodes.

[–] octobob@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Does an old school washer dryer that runs off timer relays / knobs / push buttons really have a CPU? I ask because that's how mine is and I haven't had to look at the controls but they seem dead simple to me. I get there's different cycles but some simple ladder logic should be able to handle that, no? Half the world runs on simple machines like that.

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Does an old school washer dryer that runs off timer relays / knobs / push buttons really have a CPU?

Nope, it's just a timer-drive. cam triggering switches. The physical cam IS the CPU.

We have reached a point in time where there are adults who think everything that runs through multiple steps must have a microcontroller, because only really really old machines* do without.

*For the most part. I bought a brand new whirlpool dryer late last year, and it has a mechanical timer in it.

[–] balancedchaos@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Mine has analog dials. I consulted several "buy it for life" communities before I purchased. Anything to cut down on unnecessary complications.

[–] anytimesoon@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Are there any of these communities you could recommend?

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[–] Throwdownyourgrandma@feddit.nl 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

A newer machine however is a lot more efficient when looking at your energy and water bill.

Switching from an older to a newer machine made quite a difference on my monthly bills.

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[–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah but washing machines either use a really simple micro controller or a whole load of really complex voltage based logic and control board electronics that even the guy who designed it couldn't fix without a lot of writing notes and doing maths.

There's more to go wrong on an old washing machine and each control board was unique to the machine so tracking down a replacement is hard - a nice simple raspberry pi Pico you can flash over WiFi would make it so easy to switch out one heater for another without too much thought about impedance or upgrade the turbidity sensor without desoldering resistors.

Plus it gives you infinite control over the program cycles allowing you to update up the best wash method for your detergent and lifestyle.

Of course you can only do that with an open source one. I think it's coming, year of the open source ~~desktop~~ kitchen work surface coming soon.

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

There's more to go wrong on an old washing machine and each control board was unique to the machine

What? Old washing machines just use switches and a cam that's on a timer. Anyone who can read a basic schematic can figure out what is wrong with one.

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[–] spicytuna62@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (9 children)

I want a Speed Queen. They're way more expensive than your standard machines, but there's a reason you find them in laundromats everywhere. They're built to be abused.

What do people even do with their wifi appliances? Throw the load in and say Alexa start the washer? How is that easier than setting it yourself?

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

What do people even do with their wifi appliances?

Timing, automatic and stuff. To keep the washing machine example: you want the laundry out of the machine as soon as possible go hang it up as fresh as possible. You're having a long day ahead of you, not a long time between coming home and going to bed, not enough for a full laundry run at least. You load up your machine before leaving home and remote start it the adequate time so it's done shortly after you're back home.
At least that's what I'd use such features for.
Other people listen to Spotify over their fridge.

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But regular washing machines have programmable start times. I have a cheap Beko and can set it to start up to 19 hours in advance.

[–] ImFresh3x@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago

Main thing is I get a notification on my phone when it’s done. I’m not always near my washer. Sometimes I forget. The times vary a lot by load size so a timer it’s as good. Saves me time and keeps my clothes from getting moldy

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Triggering home automation too. Like ventilating the laundry when it's washing/drying and for half an hour after.

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[–] Ross_audio@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't connect mine .

But I wanted a washer dryer that had a heat pump drying system.

The one I got on sale also had an auto dosing tray for detergent and softener.

Genuinely very pleased with all the features my "smart appliance" has.

It uses less power, less water, less detergent. And it weighs and uses humidistats to not over dry my clothes.

The dumb ones that just work on set timers are less efficient than one measuring the load to decide how much water to use and when it's dry.

I suppose I used to eyeball detergent but now a 40 wash bottle lasts me 50 washes.

Long warranty on it I hope I'll never have to test. But it's there.

To get that I ended up with a WiFi enabled machine and just never put it on a network and turned its own broadcast off.

I occasionally set a time on it. But genuinely throw in the clothes, push 2 buttons, and walk away.

Any appliance that can now be a heat pump instead of an element, or actually measures things instead of using timers is a genuine improvement. Even if it's fairly rudimentary still.

Not everything is worse if it's more complicated.

[–] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 2 points 10 months ago

I ended up the same way. The heat pump washer/dryer combo I got happens to have wifi. I genuinely enjoy this machine even though I don't think I'm capable of fixing it outside of buying a whole new "heat pump unit" and installing it. It works well and it's way more efficient than the old electric unit that was here when we moved in.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I have a wifi washer and dryer.

The biggest advantage is that it sends you a ping when it's done, and can send you a message about the need for routing maintenance, like changing filters or refilling the detergent container.

Settings wise, it's slightly easier to set from the app, since a telephone has better UX than a washing machine. Mostly I just leave it at "you figure it out" so it's moot.

You can't actually start it remotely unless you press a button on the machine first, just send settings to it to activate by pressing start.

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[–] naught@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

I got one of these after my Samsung literally caught fire and it is... fine. Kinda small, loud, and beeps incessantly sometimes when nothing is running to the point I have to unplug it at night lest it go off at 4am again. Has yet to explode so soft recommend from me

[–] ForestOrca@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

Hey, that's our new metal band name: Speed Queen!!

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

This thing is legit, but why is their example photo showing a laundry machine next to a kitchen sink as part of a whole kitchen set up lol

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I actually can't believe anybody would be stupid enough to think that Wi-Fi ever needed to be on a washing machine. That is literally a idea designed to milk extra money from sucker's.

[–] XTornado@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I mean... It's not absolutely necessary? Yes.

It's nice that it alerts you is finished specially taking into account it doesn't always takes the same time and all that ? Yes

A beep or similar works too? Yes, but sometimes you are not near enough or similar and could be useful.

Or starting it remotely so when you reach home just finished or nearly and just arrive and hang the clothes.

I worked for an industrial tool manufacturer for a couple years. It's well known brand but not one you can just go to Home Depot and buy. Their tools are very specialized and very expensive.

Anyway, the last project I was on before I left was one where they tried to create smart tools. It wasn't a completely bad idea. Those things have specific maintenance requirements. Reminding the user that it's time for maintenance based on a cycle count, hour count, or severity of conditions was actually a good idea.

But, management wanted two things: Wireless charging, and the ability to feed data from the tool back to a dashboard that the user could log into. Then, they would charge a premium for the "smart tool" and get the customer to pay for access to the dashboard. At least that was the idea. The problem was that customers didn't give a shit about either of those "features." They just wanted their tools to work reliably. The division president refused to listen. I don't know how it worked out. For unrelated reasons, I didn't hang around long enough to find out.

Adding [unnecessary] electronics to tools and appliances is cheap. There's some engineering costs involved but once that's done, the components usually amount to a small fraction of the overall build cost. And the markup is insane, which is one reason why they add those "features".

I suspect that there's plenty of engineering teams out there questioning why a stove needs WiFi and then getting overridden by some SVP who has literally never used a stove in his entire life.

[–] theredbit@lemmy.ca 21 points 10 months ago (3 children)

We bought an “analog” washer and dryer for my wife and I when we moved into our first home. Hasn’t failed us yet. Her parents have a fancy set and they’ve had to get it fixed a few times already. Seems like the simpler the better for home appliances

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This applies to all machines really. More parts means more things to go wrong.

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Our dryer wasn't working very well so we got a temporary one for $100 from Craigslist, but turns out it runs great and we have no desire to replace it.

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[–] thehatfox@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

But what if you are privacy conscious and poor?

[–] hughesdikus@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

That's easy.

You are privacy conscious in those unnecessarily rich parties you got invited to by mistake.

You are poor for your homies and family.

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[–] Sabre363@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How does one wash wi-fi? Any special detergents or temp settings?

[–] tubaruco@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago

you put the router in the washing machine. of course, you have to poke a hole for the cables, since the router has no wifi when its turned off.

then, you turn the washing machine on. water should be enough but if you want to be safe you can put salt.

when the machine beeps you'll have successfully washed the wifi away from your router.

[–] ImFresh3x@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah would hate to have big laundry know about my lights and darks being mixed.

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

I mixed my colours with my whites

And now I fight the tie-dye fight

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Don't worry, like smart TVs, wifi connected devices will become cheaper than their alternatives soon

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Do dumb TVs still exist at all?

[–] MisterD@lemmy.ca 10 points 10 months ago

Yes and they cost more!

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago

Yes, look for commercial tvs

[–] datelmd5sum@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You can get a 55" gaming monitor.

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

1700€

Fucking hell. Is the screen made of diamonds? It's 4x the price of a TV of the same size. What are they smoking?

[–] rifugee@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Maybe the smart TV's are being subsidized by the money they make selling the data they collect from you?

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sure. But this doesn't account for the whole 1000€ difference in price.

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[–] gornius@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Mainly GTG response time and latency. For watching movies it's generally not a problem, but when it comes to playing games with a mouse, latency can be a huge issue, and bad GTG response time leads to smearing.

But yeah, 4x the price is ridiculous.

[–] SaltyIceteaMaker@iusearchlinux.fyi 8 points 10 months ago

Gonna build one out if a regular washing machine and a raspberry pi myself🗿

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago

I don't buy one because I'm not an idiot, we are not the same

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago
[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Yeah some of us have to hand wash our wi-fi the old fashioned way.

[–] FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I can't afford it anyway, I just like to pretend it's because of privacy issues

[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 10 months ago

Both. Both is fine

[–] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

I just bought a new set. We used to have a vertical stacked set but only the bottom washer was unrepairable. We had to rearrange a lot of stuff in our laundry room to get a side by side set in there but we found one that worked nicely. WAY bigger capacity than our last units and only $50 more than the cheapest set available. And yeah, it's not smart. No Internet.

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