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[–] OrangeCorvus@lemmy.world 162 points 9 months ago (13 children)

Reading the comments from that article is a prime example of how a cult functions.

In reality this will have a 0,002% impact. Most phone users are tech-illiterate and have no idea how to use their devices. You expect these people to go to a different store? On Android you can have other app stores, why don't you have? Because Play Store is default and all app developers want to be where most users are, not on a 3-4% user share store.

It will most likely be background noise in the first months and everyone will go back to the App Store. The only people that will use an alternate store will most likely be the same ones that use F-droid, so 0,002% of the users.

But hey, it's better to scream how this whole thing is making their devices less secure, because Apple told them so.

[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 54 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It's always about the minority. Just because something fits 99% should not mean this is the only thing in existence, when other ways do not disturb. And one not fulfilled minority there, one not fulfilled there and soon we realise that almost everyone fit in some unfulfilled minority that is not dealed with.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 53 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Let's not act like Apple isn't spending millions of dollars in guerrilla marketing campaigns to discredit attempts to open up the ecosystem...

At this point I assume anyone complaining about sideloading, alt browser engines, etc is a paid shill, because the arguments against are completely ridiculous and fallacious corporate speak.

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

I've met plenty of apple sycophants in real life. Such a weird thing to base your identity on.

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[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 45 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

On Android you can have other app stores, why don't you have?

I do I have a Samsung store. Beyond that, the ability to sideload apps is a huge reason I use Android and IOS sucks. I also have apps I've loaded off of web sites and my own LAN.

[–] icedterminal@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Some apps can't be posted on store fronts for one or more reasons.

Side loading definitely has its place and is a welcome change to iOS.

[–] Retiring@lemmy.ml 32 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Why is pornhub obvious? Americans are so prude, it hurts my brain. God forbid there are nipples somewhere! But murder is fine.

[–] icedterminal@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Google Play policy forbids PornHub from being allowed. But yet we have web browsers... Idgi

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 23 points 9 months ago

Don't forget the apps that get banned because they dare to undermine the store owner's profit by presenting free alternatives to their awful paid versions.

Like NewPipe and the Youtube app that can't even play video's with the screen off.

[–] ImaginaryFox@kbin.social 16 points 9 months ago (8 children)

iOS is also filled with apps that have ads and subscriptions. Having something like F-droid for Foss apps without the nonsense is nice if you need something like a simple pdf reader or even a calculator. IPad has no calculator for example and there's so much crap you have to shift through to find a simple calculator that doesn't have ads or subscriptions.

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[–] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Tech illiterate Windows users seem to have no problems removing replacing Edge/Bing with Chrome/Google (which, if you've ever tried recently, is quite a painful process).

I think the App Store will only be able to maintain it's dominance in Europe if it's able to be a better experience, for both users and developers, than any of the alternatives.

The improvements Apple will make to the store to protect their dominant position will be significant.

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[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (3 children)

This will have impact, on Apple's revenue, which is really what they only care about.

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[–] moon@lemmy.cafe 127 points 9 months ago (31 children)

I have no idea why so many of those commenters are anti consumer rights. Android proves that it's not a security issue. Why are they so brain broken that they are actively against opening up their walled garden, like it compromise their apple product purchases in some way.

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[–] themurphy@lemmy.world 103 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (23 children)

This would actually be a big step for many Android users wanting to try out another OS.

I know for myself that sideloading apps is a must for me on my phone, and if an iPhone could do that, it's at least one step closer for consideration.

[–] MagneticFusion@lemm.ee 82 points 9 months ago (1 children)

As someone who went from Android to iOS back to Android, I still prefer the Android experience. Things like F Droid, access to the entire file system, custom ROMs (running GrapheneOS currently)‌, browsers actually being themselves and not based on WebKit, not having to use an account (I believe even on stock android you do not need to be signed in to an account to use it whereas Apple you are forced to use an Apple ID), being able to change your default SMS, phone, camera, gallery, launcher, etc etc etc.

There are just so many things that still make Android more open than iOS and feels like you actually own the device and can do whatever the hell you want.

[–] Octopus1348@lemy.lol 36 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

on Apple you are forced to use an Apple ID

Not entirely true. For most functionality on Android, you also need to be signed in with Google, but you can de-google it. On Apple, it's the same, but you can't de-apple it. You can currently only use the App Store which needs an Apple ID, so you can use without an Apple ID but you lose like 80% of the stuff you could use your phone for.

[–] MagneticFusion@lemm.ee 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

You kind of are forced to use it app store aside. You can not use iMessage without an apple ID but you could use RCS without a Google account. Another bigger drawback to not using an Apple ID is backing up is going to be an absolute pain. Because you can't access the file system on iOS, for things like photos and contacts or messages, your only options would be iCloud as far as I know (I could be wrong) or I guess if you have a Macbook as well Airdrop?

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[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 9 months ago

Still having to buy completely another device to switch operating systems... Not because the system was not adapted yet, but because of software locks and purposful roadblocks.

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[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 56 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Splitting store in two won't get them around the regulation though if both stores have same parent company. Perhaps it will delay EU from punishing them, but they won't get around the issue. EU is not forcing multiple stores without reason. Competition if always good for end users and results in overall better quality of product. Apple doesn't want that because they want to be able to charge whatever they want and you can take it or leave it. Also it has absolutely nothing to do with security or privacy or whatever the excuse people are coming up with. It's just money, the only thing Apple still cares about.

[–] Khanzarate@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

That's not what the article said they meant.

An EU split that can comply, and a rest of the world split that continues to monopolize the iPhone.

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[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 50 points 9 months ago (6 children)

I would rather have a “all users must have root access to their devices” or all software must be user replaceable integrated into the law. We let Apple do their own thing, but adventurous users could try installing android and such on the iPhone (similar to how the asahi project is making Linux on M series macs a reality)

[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

As shown with Android, even if you have root it's not enough, as it won't let you indefinetly support the device when the firmware and drivers are still secret. Freedom of choice for whatever OS you like (meaning that any OS can make a port) would be safer and more liberating, I thing.

Also, to hell with Android, I want to install Linux on this thing and finally be able to backup all apps, configurations and files via simple "rsync" command or when the screen/touch/battery die install TV-centric OS to at least repurpose this expensive device as new smart TV box :).

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[–] Everyday3671@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Damn it. The UK is not in the EU. 😂

[–] JTheDoc@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

The never ending cascade of problems Brexit still drags us slowly through.

[–] Aatube@kbin.social 22 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Doesn’t the App Store already have separate markets?

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Yes, but for Apple's own profit, not the customers. It's the good old 'divide et impera' strategy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule

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[–] yildo@kbin.social 21 points 9 months ago (14 children)

Moves like this always assume that location equals citizenship. As an EU citizen living in North America, a move like this means that I would not get the remedy that Apple legally owes me (or would owe me if I owned an iOS device)

The main thing I've been sideloading on Android for a decade is a fan implementation of the Dominion card game called Androminion. It was trademark cease and desist removed from the Play Store a decade ago, but you can still get the apk on Github

There's a couple other things. One big gap in both the Google and Apple stores is the complete absence of adult content. I'm amazed there's not more of a clamour for adult apps among either userbase, given that most people don't own a normal computer. Sideloading could plug that gap

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