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77 Groups Worldwide Back Genocide Lawsuit Against Biden in U.S. Court (theintercept.com)

submitted 10 months ago by Keeponstalin@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

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According to Law for Palestine, a human rights and legal advocacy organization, there have been at least 500 instances of Israeli lawmakers, officials, and officers inciting genocide.

Sourani said that the statements by Israeli officials, along with the actual blockade, the indiscriminate attacks on civilians and civilian buildings, the basic lack of safe space, and the mass displacement of millions of Palestinians makes it clear: “All of this is tantamount to genocide.”

The plaintiffs responded to the administration’s motion to dismiss on December 22, arguing that there is precedent for U.S. courts to adjudicate questions surrounding genocide and that their legal challenge is about more than the actions of a foreign state. Rather, the plaintiffs argued, their injuries are “fairly traceable” to the actions of the U.S. government. “The suggestion that the U.S. does not or cannot influence Israel borders on the absurd, not least because the Israeli government acknowledges its actions could not happen without U.S. license and support, and Defendants have boasted about their coordination with and influence over Israel,” the plaintiffs wrote.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

That the one single man - Joe Biden - who by changing his own actions could almost certainly guarantee that Trump was kept out, refuses to stop materially supporting Genocide and instead he and those of his tribe demand that millions of Americans (most of whom voted for him and who he is supposed to represent) ignore their Principles and vote for him again, says it all.

Joe Biden's actions are neither compatible with the stated goal of keeping Trump out nor are they compatible with being an elected representative of the will of the voters.

It's not only Trump who is against Democracy, it's just that Biden and his minions use different, less in-your-face methods to disenfranchise the power of the vote.

[–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 10 months ago

Makes sense.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Can Democrat voters get some pressure going to replace Biden with someone who isn't a genocidal Zionazi? If you really want to vote Democrat instead of third party at least make it clear that they have to replace Genocide Joe.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago

There are some strong primary contenders but the DNC is corrupt as shit and refuses to hold a primary election. They’re even going so far as to call the state DNC offices and request that primaries be canceled or candidates removed from the primary ballots. There’s a lawsuit in SC over this and an emergency hearing is taking place on it today as a matter of fact.

All this from those who claim “democracy is at risk” in ‘24 elections.

Personally, I think both parties are far too corrupted by bribe money, and we should just back a new 3rd party. It’s hard to organize that when all of corporate media seeks to snuff you out though.

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The unfortunate reality is that any Biden replacement would be doomed to lose to Trump. The degree to which many Americans don't pay attention to politics is shocking, and because of that they're more likely to vote for a candidate based on simple things like name recognition rather than actual policy

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Trump went from a 1% vote to a victory in a short timespan without even having been supported in the beginning.

Democrats vote Democrat. They don't just vote for Biden. Even Bernie could have won if the DNC didn't actively sabotage his campaign.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Conservatives should really be running with this. It's such an easy win for them. They get a genocide to satisfy their bloodlust AND they get to blame it on their enemy.

They could use it for their impeachment attempt and they could even demand he be arrested and tried in the Hague. Thankfully, conservatives are stupid as fuck and can't see the easy points.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah but they hate brown people

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They also hate whites that aren't the "correct" type of white. Ukrainians are "relatively civilized and relatively european", for instance.

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They don't like Ukranians because Russia doesn't like Ukraine. It's not a racial thing.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's complicated. They like Ukrainians just fine. In fact, trafficking cute little blonde haired blue eyed white babies out of Ukraine is a lucrative past time for certain ex-Congressmen.

There's a real racial split between Russians and Ukrainians, but it revolves around the East/West split between Slavs and non-Slavs. It isn't something Americans really recognize and Republicans don't care either way. The GOP aren't aligning with the Russians nearly so much as they are polarized against the Democrats. And that goes back to the split in the CIA/military under Obama, which ties back to the war on terror, which really boils down to whether or not brown skin disqualifies your humanity.

So its a surprisingly complex racial thing, historically. But for now it mostly just involves taking the opposite position of the second-term Obama administration, because they're the Not-Democrats Party. If Trump ever gets back into office, it would be fairly easy to convince him to be pro-Ukraine / anti-Russia, with the right collection of NatSec folks whispering in his ear.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Conservatives should really be running with this.

They've spent the last 23 years running on the "Arabs are scary and we need to kill them" platform. Why would they support a measure that's anti-genocide?

They could use it for their impeachment attempt

If they're going to run bullshit impeachment efforts that die in the Senate, why waste effort and pick a fight with AIPAC when they can just hold up a picture of Hunter Biden's dick pick and call any Democrat who votes against impeachment a pedophile?

[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you look at Israel as a colonial project of the USA then everything makes a lot more sense.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

It is a settler colonist project, but it was first sponsored by Britain and Western Europe. The US didn't come into play until later.

A History of Modern Palestine: One Land, Two Peoples by Ilan Pappe has a huge amount of info on Palestine and the Zionists movement all the way from the 1920s to the present day if you want to learn more. I'm still trying to get thru it all

[+] AnyProgressIsGood@lemmy.world -56 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Man you can't win as president sometimes. He doesn't sell weapons to Saudis for houthi shit but sells to a country defending itself and he's getting accused of genocide. Absolutely bonkers world we live in

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 53 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Defending itself" is a very generous description of what Israel is doing.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago

A 12-year-old girl has died in an apparent strike at a Gaza hospital weeks after she said in an interview that she only wanted "the war to end."

A tank shell struck a children's ward at the Nasser Hospital Complex in Khan Younis on Sunday night, killing Dounia, a 12-year-old who had lost her leg in an airstrike that killed her mother, father, brother and sister.

Dounia recently told Defense for Children International she hoped someone would take her abroad so she could receive a prosthetic leg.

Dounia said in the organization's video that she wanted to be a doctor when she grew up so she could treat other children such as herself.

"I only want one thing: for the war to end," she said.

Dounia's interview was filmed between Nov. 24 and Dec. 1, during the recent temporary cease-fire amid the Israel-Hamas war.

Many people have sought shelter at the Nasser Hospital Complex, and there are now fears the facility may be subject to more attacks. The Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health said the targeting of the complex could bring down the health system in the southern part of the Gaza Strip.

The IDF has said it is only targeting Hamas and other militants in Gaza and alleges that Hamas deliberately shelters behind civilians, which the group denies.

Doctors Without Borders and the World Health Organization have said hospitals in central and southern Gaza are at a "breaking point" and struggling to care for the influx of patients. Nasser Hospital, where many patients with trauma and burn injuries go, is facing a never-ending flow of patients and is "now at breaking point," Doctors Without Borders, or Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF), said earlier this month.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/12-year-girl-killed-gaza-hospital-weeks-after-interview/story?id=105750059

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

For your convenience:

https://imeu.org/article/plan-dalet

https://forward.com/news/470923/israel-land-conquest-1967-occupation-six-day-war-plans/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law#Israel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_prisoners_in_Israel

https://www.savethechildren.net/news/%E2%80%9Ctreated-animals%E2%80%9D-palestinian-children-face-inhumane-treatment-israeli-run-prisons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_protests

https://www.hrw.org/report/2019/12/17/born-without-civil-rights/israels-use-draconian-military-orders-repress

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/06/israel-occupation-50-years-of-dispossession/

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Cablegram_from_the_Secretary-General_of_the_League_of_Arab_States_to_the_Secretary-General_of_the_United_Nations

https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanities/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/palestinian-arab-congresses

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full

https://www.btselem.org/apartheid

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/middle-east/israel-palestine-one-state-solution

https://mondoweiss.net/2018/01/examining-myths-israel/

https://theintercept.com/2023/11/28/israel-palestine-history-peace

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/16/why-israel-allies-explainer

[+] Aceticon@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

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[–] nichtsowichtig@feddit.de 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not even the Nazis would kill children as reprisal.

the nazis absolutely killed children for all sorts of despicable reasons. Could you at least make your point without relaitivizing fucking Nazi crimes?

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

As far as I know the Nazis did not execute children when they went into French villages killing 10 random French people for every German person killed by the Resistance Française, which is the context that's all around the text you quoted but didn't include.

They did however kill children in other situations, such as when executing their Final Solution.

I do take your point that the Israeli Government are just as bad as Nazis (or at least getting close to it) rather than worse than Nazis, since the latter would be almost impossible, except perhaps if the Israelis do as a member of the Israeli Government already suggested and nuke Gaza (members of the Israeli Government seriously considering that are probably worse than Nazis).

[–] nichtsowichtig@feddit.de 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

the Nazis mudered around 70000 french jews during the Shoa, many of them children. what's your point?

I really don't get why it is so difficult to shit on Netanyahu and his fellows without resorting to insensitive/antisemitic language. He's full of shit, yes, and the IDF is commiting reprehensible war crimes. But no, there is no comparison to be made with Nazis. The Shoa stands for itself.

It is sickening to see how there are so many pro-palestinan voices for peace who avoid this sort of language, only to drowned by so many westeners who think relativizing Nazi crimes is somehow helping palestinians

edit: just to expand a little: around 400 000 French civilians have been killed between 1939 and 1945 It's just ridiculous. I have no idea how people can upvote made up shit like that. sorry, but this is just fucking enfuriating

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Well now, that "anti-semitism" dog-whistle is just pure racism - it implies that all members of the Jewish Religion are the same (which only a racist would think), hence Israel represents all of them, hence criticism of Israel is anti-semitism.

I'm afraid that the nation state of Israel not only uses the kind of propaganda straight out of Goebbel's little book of tricks (the "human animals" thing, murdering journalists, claiming targetting of civilians is "defense" and so on), but it even has already exceed the rate of killing of civilians of pretty much everybody but the Nazis (in 3 months it already killed 1% of the population of Gaza) and done so with even more racist arguments that Appartheid South Africa.

Go back an check your own numbers:

The population of France at the start of WWII was around 42 million people, 1% of which is 400000, the number that you say took Nazi Germany 6 years to kill.
Israel has killed 1% of the population of Gaza in 3 months, and this is based in numbers which do not include the people who are dead under the rubble of bombed buildings: if you remember the recent earthquake on Turkey, once they started digging the rubble the numbers of confirmed dead went up several-fold.

This isn't yet a New Holocaust in absolute numbers, but in terms of the rate of civilian deaths it certainly has already exceeded everything else but the actual Holocaust, and we haven't even reached the real start of the deaths by starvation because of the Food, Water and Energy blocade by Israel.

Take a wild guess at what exactly will happen when food has run out for long enough that people's bodies start eating themselves - I do believe the are some photos from the last time somebody did something like that which you might be familiar with.

Judging by statements from several member of the Israeli cabinet, at least some of them are the kind of ultra-violent ultra-racist Fascist that wants to eliminate the "human animals" in preciselly the same spirit as the Nazis.

Maybe you should be "fucking enfuriated" towards the "unwavering" international supporters of this shit, Scholz, Biden and Sunak, because if it wasn't for that Israel would already have moderated their actions and weakenned or removed the blockade.

[–] nichtsowichtig@feddit.de 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

that “anti-semitism” dog-whistle is just pure racism

ahh alright, calling out anti-semitism is racist now? You're watering down the definition of both of these issues. Comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is antisemitic. That's not up to debate for me.

(which only a racist would think), hence Israel represents all of them, hence criticism of Israel is anti-semitism.

okay, typical Motte-and-bailey. you compared Israel to Nazi Germany. I called you out on that. Moreover, I called Netanyahu "full of shit" and said "IDF is committing reprehensible war crimes". I'm criticizing Israel. Doesn't make me an Anti-Semite. This kind of stuff always happens. "Israel is like Nazi Germany!!1" (Motte) and "Oh I'm just criticizing Israel" (Bailey)

but it even has already exceed the rate of killing of civilians of pretty much everybody but the Nazis

You're making this up. Please have at least the decency and give me sources.

but in terms of the rate of civilian deaths it certainly has already exceeded everything else but the actual Holocaust

The hamas killed 1200 people in a single say. that would be 108000 in 90 day, exceeding the "rate of civilian deaths" of the IDF bombing. Is this a shitty argument? yes, it is awful, and so is yours. It is a fucking tragedy and it needs to end. But why do you use these numbers to desperately frame Israel as Nazis?

Important to note: between May and July 1944, the Nazis killed over 400 000 Hungarian Jews in Auschwitz.

Again: Comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is detached from reality, and antisemitic. You are not helping anyone by doubling down on claiming it is.

Think a second about those who are actually affected by the conflict, who understand how complex and twisted it is and who genuinely look for ways to find peace. People who oppose the war, the occupation, Netanyahu's government, Hamas. These people are drowned out by westeners entirely unaffected by the conflict, claiming to know better what is going on, and resort to simplistic, tribalistic and hateful language.

[+] speaker_hat@lemmy.one -8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Provide sources

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The israeli one is 1139

The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139.

And the Palestinian at least 23-24.000 now as the news reports every day with likely thousands unreported being buried under rubble. With around 10.000 Palestinian kids being genocided by israel.

[–] harmsy@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"defending itself"

Right. Keep telling yourself that. When someone punches you in the nose, you don't get to kill him, his family, his friends, and everyone who ever encountered him or knows of his existence and claim you're just defending yourself.

[–] astral_avocado@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago

Purposeful targeting of civilians, mass murderer and rape of civilians, years of constant undirected rockets, suicide bombers and child suicide bombers after withdrawing entirely from gaza, equals a punch in the nose?