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[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 53 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"Appears to show" like it's not a video and not something that happens every day.

[–] nicolairathjen@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

But it does appear that way. And they probably didn’t get any “real” confirmation that the video is real.

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I get it, I just think it's a bit weasel-y when people describe video footage that way. Like were they provoked? Did they kill one? It's not that complicated.

Israel said they were "kneeling to light a Molotov cocktail" and so it wasn't unprovoked. Problems are a) no Molotov cocktail in the clip and b) they shot someone else first, not the person kneeling. So let's put on our fucking Sherlock hats and solve this mystery oh wow I wonder whatever could have happened

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 9 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The fatal shooting in the village of Beit Rima last week is the latest in a series of incidents in which soldiers appeared to fire without provocation, a trend Palestinians say has worsened since the outbreak of the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza three months ago.

After reviewing the footage, a military spokesperson said soldiers reported that one of the Palestinians — visible kneeling in front of an object just outside the frame — was igniting a Molotov cocktail when he was shot.

Nader told the AP that the object was a stack of cardboard boxes and scraps of paper that 17-year-old Osaid Rimawi had gathered and was preparing to light to keep the men warm.

Other videos of the shooting posted to social media and reviewed by AP appear consistent with Nader’s description of the object Osaid was preparing to light.

Human rights groups have previously presented cases in which soldiers opened fire without their lives being in danger, in apparent violation of the military’s rules of engagement.

The Hamas attack prompted Israel to wage a blistering air and ground campaign on the Gaza Strip that has killed over 23,000 people — and to tighten its grip on the West Bank through near-nightly, often deadly, raids.


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[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago
[–] Arete@lemmy.world -4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

At the extreme left of the video you can see a man in the middle of the road kneel down to light something on fire. The men contend that it was a pile of cardboard they wanted to burn for warmth. The Israeli's counter that it was a Molotov cocktail.

It doesn't look like a Molotov cocktail, but personally I don't buy the "warmth" story. Who lights cardboard on fire in the street for warmth? I think a far more likely scenario, given the men knew Israeli soldiers were nearby and didn't leave while others did, is that they were attempting to show some resistance by burning shit. This pissed off the Israeli's, who shot at them.

Seems like murder given the lack of an immediate threat.

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Who lights cardboard on fire in the street for warmth?

People who got everything they have taken away from them, apparently 🙄

[–] Arete@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

These people have houses mate. Watch the video for proof.

Not even the homeless would burn scrap cardboard/paper in an uncontained little pile in the middle of the street. That would provide next to zero warmth and would require the person to sit in the middle of the street.

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not even the homeless in US could compare to Gaza. Also, just because you see someone still has a home, doesn't mean everyone does. The ones that do don't want to set it on fire. Wait, you don't think they have functional proper heating in there, do you?

[–] Arete@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

This wasn't in Gaza, and the interview is done in the wounded man's house. Read first, then virtue signal.

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Are you saying West Bank is much better than Gaza?

What is your point, exactly? A bunch of people lighting bonfire on the ruins of their own hometown deserve to get shot?

[–] Arete@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

... I said it looked like murder. There's just no satisfying you people. And for the record the West Bank is much better off than Gaza.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

The desert is pretty cold at night. Lighting trash on fire for warmth is credible.

[–] Pancito@lemmy.world -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Not that anything justifies killing, but were they trying to set something on fire? Again, this would not justify anything.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 33 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Cardboard. For warmth. Because the Israeli government has taken away the electricity and fuel they'd otherwise use.

[–] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

don't light fires when the nazguls are about

[–] steventhedev@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago

Yes - a pile of something in the middle of the road.

The youths said it was a pile of cardboard and paper to help keep them warm. Admittedly, it was around 10°C (50°F) over the last few nights at 2am.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Deserts get really cold at night, especially in the winter.