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And the precedent set by Colorado begins.
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The question is will any purple states follow it. Trump was never going to win Colorado or California.
There's about a hundred different outcomes to this election that scare the shit out of me, but the one I'm stressed about tonight is the possibility that even after this, it'll make no difference, and then it'll be abused later on by red states in reverse.
We impeached Trump, they retaliated by trying to impeach Biden on weak pretense. We drop Trump from a ballot in blue states, they'll drop Biden in red states on some false pretense. Etc etc.
Even if it doesn't happen that way, it will take another form. I guess what I'm worried about isn't this specific event and it's fallout, it's the pattern of behavior. A democratic system can not operate when an entire party is hellbent on participating in bad faith, and increasingly willing to burn everything rather than accept a loss. No matter what twists and turns we take, it feels like it's heading toward the same eventual breaking point.
Which is why Democrats were doormats for so long. They were very aware of this and made concessions to maintain democracy.
Of course that didn't work. It's clearly not just a phase.
We can't just keep getting run over to maintain some false sense of decorum.
In regards to impeachment, there's precedent that impeachment for BS reasons doesn't resonate well with voters. Clinton was impeached for BS reasons (the process started with investigating his finances, before Monica Lewinski even worked in the white House). The following election, Democrats won a decent number of seats in congress despite Republicans expecting a Blue blood bath because of impeachment. Same with Trump, he was impeached twice (both of which Republicans said was BS), yet independents still voted for and continue to vote for Democrat candidates. I feel even Republicans know this, which is why McCarthy and McConnel, as well as other Republicans, feel this is a bad idea.
I feel like if this becomes a partisan trend of states whose reps/governors are up for election just kicking trump off the ballot it will only embolden his most angry voters, and energize those who are like, “well, I don’t care for the man, but I think the democrats are just out of control.” They don’t have to learn shit about the legal reasoning—in fact, they won’t. You have to assume no one will learn anything and they’ll just get the spin aimed at them. This serves as a boost to trump, i think
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if enough states remove him, he'll cause a big enough fuss that he'll get 1/3 of the damn vote from loons writing him in
If he's disqualified then write in votes for him won't count either.
Technically they will count.
The issue is that he is ineligible to be president. The the same as if he was foreign born or under 35.
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Not all states allow write-ins. And some that do have very strict rules about them.
Or claim the election is already rigged, causing enough of his folks to stay home and NOT vote in other races that the house and state governments see unprecedented flips.
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So now that Colorado has done it, do there even need to be future lawsuits in any state to follow?
I imagine there might be a lawsuit challenging the state doing it, but thats different than having to prove it in the first place like in Colorado
Most states that are considering this are probably waiting for SCOTUS to weigh in.
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Get 'em California! Isn't it true the California bar exam is the most difficult out of all 50 states?
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Let's hope more states do it. Maybe it would send a message to the boomers about a potential Trump 2nd term.
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you don't need every legal option. the law is clear as day, all we need to do is follow it and wait for the openly corrupt supreme court to decide that it doesn't count in this case because they'd rather it didn't.
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why? he doesnt have a chance in hell of CA anyway, why spin your wheels?
i guess im curious which of these states might split their electoral votes
Denying him primary delegates, saving money during the main campaign, and effects on down ballot races are all good reasons to kick him out. Also, yknow, following the constitution which clearly disqualifies Trump.
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All good points in response to your question, but here's another: He attempted an insurrection, and is constitutionally prohibited from holding office. It's in the 14th amendment, article 3. He's legally prevented to be on the ballot, but laws like that only work if someone enforces it.
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It adds fuel to the fire, for one. Regardless if they’re liberal or democrat states, the more courts that legitimize the argument that Trump is disqualified from office due to supporting and starting an insurrection, 14th amendment reasons, the easier it is for other states and courts to do the same. So, yes. Let’s get every blue state, and then maybe a few purple states will follow suit. Once you get one or two of those, that’s it.
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My guess: With the Colorado Supreme Court decision, he wants to build momentum of states disqualifying him. It would also send a message to the Supreme Court that this might be the right decision.
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This is for the primary ballots so it would mean he cant win Republican primary votes in that state. That means another Republican candidate could beat him and become the nominee if I'm understanding correctly.
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