Another narrative: employment was up and workers were gaining power. Out of nowhere, JP Morgan Chase chairperson started going to meetings and talking about a recession, over and over. Other businesses took his lead and started raising prices. After a while we're no closer to a recession, but we have lost a lot in standard of living.
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When a handful of corporations control entire industries, capitalism stops working.
It's supposed to be a bunch of competitors trying to get as many sales as possible by having the lowest prices or highest quality.
But in the current economy, if a corporation raises their prices across the board, the rest raise their prices. The only times they lower prices, is straight to a loss to force small competitors out of business. The large corporations can deal without profits for six months, smaller companies go under and often have to sell to the giant corporations.
This cycle has been repeating for decades, it's not hard to notice it
The only solution is breaking up those giant corporations. Republicans sure as shit won't do it, but neither will the moderate wing of the Democratic party. It would cut into their donations too much.
If anything in the economy is "too big to fail" the solution is breaking them up, not bailing them out whenever necessary.
It also stops working when the vast majority of the population lacks capital. The recent experiments with a UBI in Kenya show this pretty well. Folks who decided on a lump-sum payment rather than monthly invested in creating businesses and were better off.
I mean, there's been studies in America too.
Give an average American a dollar and it boost the local economy by more than a dollar.
They tend to already have things they're saving up for, and spend it at local businesses.
Give the wealthy a dollar, and they hide it in Panama. Remember that big thing where we found out they all do it and then nothing happened?
That money never gets spent, it sits in a bank somewhere anonymously and is often permanently removed from the economy.
Worse is when that rich man's dollar gets dumped into real estate, directly harming everyone else by making housing even more unaffordable
We do have to constantly remind ourselves that the ultra rich aren't bound by any boarders and have no loyalty to any government.
Why do people even try to say nothing happened with Panama papers. I'll be the person this time and every time that shows LOTS has happened. From nearly day 1.
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When a handful of corporations control entire industries... that is capitalism. Capitalism isn't some self-correcting system that benefits all, its a system that supports and benefits those who make the most profit possible. When companies have less competition and more control, they're better able to make money. And thus, are better at capitalism.
This isn't capitalism failing to function, this is capitalism working as intended. The "free-market" is an illusion created on hope and delusion.
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There's a rather long history of it taking a recession to stop inflation. That it didn't this time is a very big deal.
It’s pretty basic supply and demand. Inflation historically goes up in an economy when a lot of people want to buy stuff, and that stuff is in limited supply.
Workers had cash and stimulus money = higher demand
The pandemic fucked with good manufacturing, and transport = reduced supply
When there is less of something, and people have money, they’re willing to pay more to get their hands on the scarce thing. Companies pay more for chips, or to have first dibs on something from the port, and that increased cost is passed along to the consumer.
Are we really still pretending the "stimulus" money of a whopping1400 actually had an impact for 99% of people?
No, but 3 years of pent-up demand and crippled supply chain infrastructure did
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Yo ngl I cannot care one iota about the S&P 500 when food costs nearly double what it did before the pandemic and rents are skyrocketing.
Where I am, the $5 eggs are back down to $1.80, and the $6 milk is $2.89. Feels the same as before-times.
It's hard to find restaurant lunch under $15, which is around 50% more than 2019, and even the gyro counter added a default tip when they stopped accepting cash. That's sad, but I cook more now.
2 years ago yogurt was 40 cents, today it’s 80. Bacon was $3 a pound, today the cheapest is $4.50 unless it’s on sale. Frozen pizzas were $4, $5 on the top end, now they’re $6-$15… for a frozen pizza. Ramen was 20 cents, today it’s 55. String cheese was $4, today it’s $7. A small bag of shredded cheese was $4, now it’s $8. Cereal was $3, today it’s $5 and you get less. Have you seen how expensive a bag or Doritos is? A small bag costs more than what a party size bag used to cost, and that’s true for all chips.
I have dozens of items that are out of reach today that were common fare 3 years ago. Milk and eggs have come back down, yes, but not the rest of it.
I guess my response is that most of what you've listed are significantly-to-highly processed foods, and I lump them in the same bucket as 'restaurants.' To me, it's not that the food has gotten expensive, so much as corporate structures are 'extracting more value.' And I do realize that a lot of people are in situations where those processed foods are their only practical options. I just think that General Mills, PepsiCo, and Blackstone deserve the blame and hate, more than 'the economy.'
BTW, I would love me some $4.50/pound bacon. I don't remember it less than $6/12 oz in the last 5 years, except occasionally on sale. I used to see fairly regular $1/pound pork shoulder sales, and I haven't seen that under $1.80 in a while, so there definitely are basic foods with inflated prices. My personal experience is that I still get out of the grocery store for the same $40 I was spending in 2018, although I have also given up chips and started making my own yogurt. Switched from beef to chicken, pork and beans, although that's more for carbon reasons than cost.
Here from Europe, a similar situation.
Some things are still expensive, but a lot of things have gotten better.
Moreover, salaries did increase, so I can't complain too much.
We are extremely fortunate to have so easily beaten this round of inflation.
It's mostly the same here.
Grocery prices have definitely gone up overall in my part of the world, but outside of outliers (or outright liars), prices aren't double. But lots of people around here will claim their grocery bill is double what it was before covid. In general, I'm not willing to say any specific person's "twice as much" isn't true, I don't know their circumstances, but my experience and pretty much all the reports I've seen don't bear that out (again for my part of the world).
The egg thing was a prime example. People were going around saying "eggs are $10 now" but then when I'd look at the local grocers, it was only the premium brands' free range, organic, woman-owned, holistic, fair-trade type eggs that were anywhere close to that -- and it was always the type of person that you know never bought those types of eggs to begin with.
I have seen a lot of convenience and luxury grocery items that I used to buy have gone up around 50% or gone down the shrinkflation route. And for sure, there's been an uptick in temporary shortages and price spikes.
Restaurants around here are also like you mentioned. Prices have really gone up there. I don't eat fast food often, but a month ago I was traveling and decided to get fast food breakfast at one of my old favorites. A biscuit and a drink used to cost around $3, now it's nearly $8. Last year, I had a craving for Wendy's and it was similar, the food that used to cost me just over $4 back in the day is now a bit more than $11. But then again, eating out is a luxury in pretty close to all circumstances.
I feel you, but there's not much Biden can do about either thing.
Unfortunately, he will get the blame for it anyway.
It's not just the stock market. There's a wide range of metrics which are showing an improvement, and they're comparing with what didn't happen, which was a recession.
What hasn't happened is a rollback of the Reagan-era change in distribution of wealth and income. That requires getting congress to act.
That falls on your local economy and state and local elected officials. Rent is always due to local officials and how the zone the city. Local and State Corporate taxes also play a role in higher prices. If I were you, I'd check the local city council schedule and speak on those concerns.
Plus, counterintuitively, rent is starting to fall in many major metro areas because we're finally seeing a notable uptick in inventory. The price of a dozen eggs is back in the neighborhood of where it was pre-Covid, and the price of a gallon of gas has wiped away almost all of its 2023 gains and is now back to roughly what it was before Russia invaded Ukraine. Not saying people across the board aren't struggling since the pandemic, because I'm sure they still feel it in a very real way, but prices are very obviously stabilizing across the board and the S&P is obviously responding to really solid underlying trends.
Wasn't there a big controversy regarding price-fixing with national rental management companies? Yes, local policies will have a significant effect on local areas... but they're far from the only ones affecting it.
The meat industry was fixing prices in 2022. The White House addressed the issue and called them out on it.
I can't pay my bills and I'm eating peanut butter sandwiches so I don't starve.
Yay, we avoided recession.
Cool. Now lower interest rates so I can at least dream about the prospect of owning a house again.
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that way out: pretend the stock market is the only thing that matters.
fuck these people
A recession is a specific problem; avoiding a recession does not mean that all economic woe is alleviated.
To throw out a shitty analogy, stating that a hurricane hasn't happened doesn't mean that there hasn't been any bad weather at all.
No, they're looking at a broad set of measures of economic well-being. The stock market is only one metric.
What they've done is pretty amazing, even if it doesn't roll back the Reagan redistribution in favor of the wealthy, which would require congressional action.
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It might take another six months before it is felt across the board, but prices are noticeably lower than last year in Colorado.
That doesn't mean your wages are high enough for you to afford the lifestyle you want.
For a while gas in COS was absolutely bananaballs. It’s come down rather nicely again. Filling my Impreza was painful there for a minute.
Happy I can drive into CostCo without wait 15 minutes for the line for gas to stop blocking the entrance at the Barnes location. It was $2.19 this morning. It was $3.42 last year at this time ($5.41 in July 2022)
I mean - there are no guarantees. Everyone claiming we are out of the woods, but if inflation stays above 3% the fed isn’t going to lower rates very fast. We could see a recession hit.
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