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[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 131 points 11 months ago (50 children)

The fact that the comment sections of these posts are always the same just shows how much oil propaganda has affected the situation.

That and people thinking protesting isn't deliberately meant to disrupt the daily lives of people in an attempt to force them to acknowledge there's a problem and do something about it.

By nature protests are supposed to be disruptive to the average person because it's the average person that decides what policies and laws we have.

The problem is the average person is too stupid/ignorant/tired/lazy to realize this and just sees it as a personal attack and reacts with pure emotion.

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[–] febra@lemmy.world 82 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Amazing. Losing democratic rights quite quickly up there in the UK, I see.

[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 52 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The solution is to break the social contract on both sides.

Governments need to learn they answer to the people, not the wealthy.

[–] qdJzXuisAndVQb2@lemm.ee 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nothing will be accomplished without violence.

[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Civil disobedience, more likely.

[–] endhits@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Civil disobedience is what the history books say is the thing to do. Not what reality says is the thing to do.

[–] qdJzXuisAndVQb2@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

Agreed. See Scheidel's The Great Leveler: Violence and the History of Inequality from the Stone Age to the Twenty-First Century.

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[–] WarmApplePieShrek@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Civil disobedience is what they just got 6 months in jail for.

[–] steeznson@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

That is how civil disobedience works. Nelson Mandela was in prison for years.

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[–] Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world 81 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (14 children)

The UK is truly becoming a fascist hellhole.

"You're allowed to protest, but only between 5PM and 6PM and you must get a permit and also don't bother anyone or make too much noise and also you must walk at the right speed otherwise you're just being a meanie and we're going to arrest you >:("

While I think some of Just Stop Oil's previous antics were counterproductive to the public image of climate activists, arresting someone because they didn't protest "at the right speed" is ridiculous. The whole point of protests is to be disruptive and bring attention to the protesters and their cause, and this is an incredibly mild way of doing it.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 28 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Also did the British government forget about the troubles? When folks cant peacefully protest shit tends to explode both metaphorically and sometimes literally. Oh wbo am I kidding the British government is full of dipshits. Give it to the inbred english aristocracy and oligarchy to repeatedly smash their dicks with a hammer.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 19 points 11 months ago

Also did the British government forget about the troubles?

Damn right they forgot about Northern Ireland. They barely care about anywhere outside of London.

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[–] CritFail@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Are you crazy?! 5-6pm is rush hour! No it must be 2-3am, but if any of your neighbours are woken up, they must spend six months in a re-education camp kindly funded by our BP sponsors.

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[–] nomecks@lemmy.world 64 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you're going to get six months for slow walking then you may as well make it six months for hurling rocks at Rishi Sunak.

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[–] splonglo@lemmy.world 52 points 11 months ago

What a fucking abomination. Everyone who passed this law needs to be locked up.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 41 points 11 months ago

Well shit at this point the British need to protest the laws around protest.

[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

As much as I loathe the civil disobedience tactics of movements like Just Stop Oil, Insulate Britain and Extinction Rebellion; I feel like attacking our freedom to protest like this is going to backfire.

This may push such groups into radicalism because "we're going to prison anyway, may as well go all the way."

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 9 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


A climate activist has been jailed for six months after pleading guilty to taking part in a peaceful slow march protest on a London road.

The sentence handed to Stephen Gingell, 57, is thought to be the first jailing under a new law that critics say makes anyone walking in a road liable for prosecution for “interference with key national infrastructure”.

Gingell, a father of three from Manchester, was one of about 40 supporters of Just Stop Oil who spent about 30 minutes marching on Holloway Road in north London at about 4pm on 12 November, the climate campaign group said.

The campaign’s “guerrilla tactics” were cited by the Home Office when it introduced the Public Order Act’s tough new anti-protest measures to parliament.

Police began using section 7 to tackle Just Stop Oil’s protests at the end of October, arresting 60 people taking part in a march in Parliament Square.

A spokesperson for the campaign said: “Section 7 of the Public Order Act 2023, a law drafted by the fossil fuel lobby, was introduced in April by Priti Patel, and covers ‘interference with the use or operation of key national infrastructure’.


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