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[–] dharwin@kbin.social 74 points 10 months ago (5 children)

The US is sleepwalking into fascism. Well, don't say we didn't warn you.

[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 57 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Half of us are being dragged, the other half is pulling us. It's illegal for the ones being dragged to protect themselves from the ones pulling us as we live in a state.

Then there's the leftist non-voters who seem to think that if you don't choose Republican or Democrat we default to peaceful communism.

[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'd say it's more like 40% of us are being dragged by 25% of us while 35% watch on, refusing to participate either way despite the fact that they'll be dragged in next.

[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

Ya, I was having trouble with the fractions, I figured people would get what I meant.

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[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 27 points 10 months ago

Oh, the fascists are waking wide-eyed awake straight into it. And they’re dragging the rest of us with them.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm wide awake, my heart is pounding, and my vocal chords are shredded from the screaming. Not all of us are asleep. 1/3rd of the country actually wants this.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

1/3rd of the country actually wants this.

Not-so-fun fact: in 1930s Germany, the highest the Nazi Party ever performed in a national vote was 37%.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

"Its like poetry, it rhymes."

  • George Lucas
[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's not sleepwalking if we all know that it's happening and are screaming about it, but nobody in power is doing anything to stop it.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 10 months ago

Fact is, like any normal distribution, 2/3 if American voters are uneducated centrists that dont understand how their system of government works or what the meaning of scary political words mean. To them, the world is just fine, but that Biden feller made me sleepy so fuck him.

Most Americans have no idea what is waiting for them on January 21st 2025.

[–] 4grams@awful.systems 19 points 10 months ago (4 children)

sick of this talking point, we're wide awake and the warning signs are all there.

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[–] danekrae@lemmy.world 71 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Good thing you guys learned from 2015 and not giving him 10x more press coverage than other candidates. No way that could go wrong. It's not like there is no such thing as bad publicity...

[–] grabyourmotherskeys@lemmy.world 36 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

An older relative is here for the holidays and was watching some YouTube yesterday. Somehow, there exists a 30 minute which talked all about what a genius Trump was and how he doesn't like electric vehicles. Just this endless stream of "Donald Trump visionary policies on..." and his brilliant predictions that were all true. No details, references, or a critical thought about how Trump probably doesn't know that there's anything inside the parts of the car he can't see.

Edit - what I am trying to point out is that this goes way beyond traditional news outlets. I don't think this guy watches a lot of news. I do think he considers himself well informed. We are Canadian, BTW. He's into cars (and an incredible mechanic as well as being a generally good person I enjoy spending time with) so this is on his feed.

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[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That part can't completely change simply because the mechanics of it are too fundamental and too blunt. A Presidential candidate who is the front runner for one of the two parties saying they want to deploy troops is news. It's newsworthy. They can't just ignore it and if they did they would be doing the news anymore.

It's the same as all the way back in 2016 - after Trump won the election, the NYT published a lengthy, complicated story detailing his many conflicts of interest which probably took a team or reporters months to do. And on the same day it was published Trump tweeted that there had been "3 million fraudulent votes" (still waiting on the evidence of that btw).

That move drowned out the conflict of interest story by a lot, and more than that - the president elect saying shit like that is actually genuinely news. The news media can't just ignore it.

They've gotten a bit better over the years at dealing with him . Now they'll say stuff like "Trump asserted yet again, without evidence, that he won the 2020 election" instead of just regurgitating his nonsense without context. But them ignoring Trump isn't the answer.

The problem here is that many Americans want this guy as president the first place.

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[–] triptrapper@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's absolutely maddening. I'm not especially sharp about politics and the media, but in 2015 I was on Twitter and FB saying, "Stop fucking saying his name. This is how he's going to get elected." People can't not talk about him. Even if the story is about what a stupid, evil loser he is, you're giving him power by talking about him all the time.

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 months ago

Bad take. Refusing to cover evil doesnt make evil go away. Removing the option for the public to see his sociopathy doesnt mitigate it.

[–] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 42 points 10 months ago (7 children)

I guess this means the 2nd amendment crowd finally gets their opportunity to use their stockpiled guns against the government in a case like this? /s

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, exactly right. You do not need the /s at all because that is the purpose of 2A.

[–] fiah@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

that doesn't work though when at least half of the 2nd amendment supporters voted for fascism. What are they going to do, take up arms against the party they voted into power themselves?

[–] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

This exactly. These fascists will point their guns squarely at liberals and Democrats in the name of their country.

Remember when Trump said he could shoot a person in Times Square and get away with it?

His supporters loved him for that because they want to do this too. They want to get away with murdering people.

Make no mistake: we will have another coup if Trump is "elected". The question is will there be enough people to stand up and rise against it.

I hate to say it but I'm not optimistic on that.

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[–] TunaCowboy@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Not /s, you're exactly right, you should move to the left and be prepared as well.

There's a lot of people sounding the alarm, but it seems liberals still don't believe what conservatives have been straight up telling them for years.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

...insert a not like that meme here.

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[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Trump is a danger to the world. Put him in prison.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

Fucking put him somewhere. Depth is optional imo.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Launch him into the fucking sun.

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[–] just_change_it@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Ah yes, the nazi wants to build concentration camps to murder the brown people. This is in line with his platform.

The irony with this is that the vulnerable people crossing the border would otherwise pick up low wage manufacturing and menial labor jobs that create wealth for the nation and farmers, but it seems that republicans are banking on poor white babies to grow up and accept those jobs in 14 years and be good republican voters. I don't see the pendulum swinging so hard to the right that the strategy would ever work.

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[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 35 points 10 months ago (4 children)
[–] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 43 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yes. Now ask if anyone will stop him.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 22 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Umm…. Will anyone stop him?

[–] rindo25@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Their silence is your answer.

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[–] MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Has that honestly ever stopped Trump before?

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[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Never forget that George Bush closed the southern border for 48 hours. That's as long as it lasted. Then big business farms and other companies who desperately rely on immigrant labor got in some people's ear.

If Trump does this it would destroy the economy.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Wouldn't be his first time absolutely destroying a valuable money making system with his stupid tiny hands. Everything he touches turns to garbage.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 12 points 10 months ago

If Trump does this it would destroy the economy.

He's literally already done it once. The Ag sector, especially family farms, still haven't recovered from his blatant mismanagement & immigration screwups.

[–] squiblet@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

DeSantis apparently didn’t understand that wealthy republicans prefer to have illegal immigrants working for them and the anti-immigrant thing is just pandering and marginalization. When he tried to enforce labor laws in Florida by the book it was similarly unpopular.

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[–] ArmyTiger@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (9 children)

He might want to check to see how the troops and their leaders feel about that.

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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I'm still finding it extremely unlikely he's electable. Not saying we shouldn't take it seriously, though.

Over the years many conservative anti-vaxxers have died from covid, boomers are dying off, and anyone who wasn't already a trumper isn't exactly lining up.

Most economic indicators are trending very well; meanwhile the abortion topic continues to backfire tremendously.

2022 proved polls don't sufficiently capture millennial and zoomers.

[–] buddhabound@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

I'm GenX, and I wouldn't answer a poll if you paid me. I will vote, and I will never vote for a Republican for the rest of my life. If there's no Dem candidate on the ballot for a specific office, I leave it blank so they can see how many votes they're not getting when they don't run a candidate.

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[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Democratic Peoples Republic of Trumpistan

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 8 points 10 months ago

It’s like Emperor Palpatine, but credulous.

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

If you don't think a Trump presidency would result in an invasion of ~~Poland~~ Mexico, you might want to pick up a history book.

[–] PeckerBrown@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Execute that fucking traitor - legally or otherwise - then use his fat, rotting corpse as a public pissoir.

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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Everything else aside for a moment, trump sure it's an incapable little bitch that is really just a mouth piece for stephan miller. trump is so weak, stupid and powerless even his hate and fascist tendencies have to be directed by another idiot. Little-handed clown boy.

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