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Timothy Murray lost his father earlier this year and had been asking his principal for counseling when she called in the police

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[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 270 points 11 months ago (32 children)

Data from Brownsville ISD seen by The Observer showed its officers made 3,102 student arrests between May 2021 and Nov. 2023. Nearly 60% of those were on felony charges and 76 of those kids were in elementary school.

what the fuck is going on over there

[–] Shurimal@kbin.social 155 points 11 months ago (6 children)

High-speed school-to-prison pipeline. Because inmates=free labour and prisons are for-profit. Gotta get 'em kidz institutionalized as early as possible!

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 87 points 11 months ago

It's the conservative way. They hold these traditions sacred.

[–] JoJoGAH@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago

This was what they found in other schools too. One specific location ( I can't remember where) the dads formed a group to a) keep kids peaceful and b) because they were being sent to jail for schoolyard bs. It was a largely black school. If you want to look it up with the sad details my brain is providing. Sry

[–] Perfide@reddthat.com 27 points 11 months ago

Yep. Also noticed that the principal that called the police and the DA refusing to drop the case have the same last name. Garza isn't that rare of a last name, but it's not exactly "Smith", either. I'd bet good money those fuckers are related to each other.

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[–] aseriesoftubes@lemmy.world 78 points 11 months ago

what the fuck is going on over there

Brownsville is 94% Hispanic or Latino. This is Texas doing Texas shit.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 55 points 11 months ago

Just republican shit.

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 27 points 11 months ago

Murica! Murica! Murica!

[–] Nepenthe@kbin.social 18 points 11 months ago

So much for that "stay in school" speech...

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[–] FierroGamer@sh.itjust.works 130 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I've tried to understand what the charges are, as far as I could tell it seems it's somehow related to an anti terrorist law and caused by the kid pulling someone's hair and gesturing to cut paper with scissors, which was interpreted as gesturing to cut a finger.

The article seems to try very hard to obfuscate the actual reason (I'm guessing for legal reasons?)

In any case, this seems insane, seems like excessive overreaction from everyone involved.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 75 points 11 months ago

its because there is no actual reason for it. they are still trying to document one

texas, you fuckin cowards.

[–] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 68 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The whole thing is weird.

His ordeal began five days later. In the late morning of September 8, Timothy was pulled out of music class and ushered into a room where he found Garza, Assistant Principal Michelle Saucedo, a district police officer, and a counselor sent from the district’s central administrative office. He was told another student had just reported that Timothy said he was planning to kill the principal. Rincon said she was called and rushed to the school but was not allowed to be in the room while Timothy was being questioned.

“When the police officer had his body cam off, they were yelling and telling me, ‘We’re gonna go to the full extent. We’re gonna put you in a lockbox,’” Timothy said. “Then, when the body cam was finally on, they were so nice.”

Timothy told me he had explained to the school and district officials that the accusations were not true, that the only conversation he had that morning was with two other boys about wearing his sweater over his uniform.

Rincon has received only a school conduct referral form, on which administrators wrote that “Timothy told another student that his hair was messy because he was up all night to come up with a plan to kill Mrs. Garza (principal).” Underneath, Timothy wrote: “No I was not up all night I just forgot [to comb my hair].”

On the bottom of the form, administrators had written: “OSS [out-of-school suspension] 3 days 9/11-9/13.”

https://www.texasobserver.org/why-was-this-11-year-old-honor-roll-student-put-in-solitary/

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 56 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Not the point of this article/topic but why is law enforcement required to wear body cameras but they can turn them off whenever they want!? That's asking for abuse! Unless they're using the restroom (and even then I'd lean towards an independent reviewer deleting footage, if anyone). These are public servants on-the-clock! If there's no enforcement, there's no consequences to purposely deactivating the taxpayer-funded camera they're supposed to be operating under...

[–] AmberPrince@kbin.social 46 points 11 months ago

I thought the same thing. Here's the archived Texas Observer article on it, which is what this article's source seems to be.

Apparently the principal heard from another student that this kid was "making threats" against her. Sounds pretty thin to me.

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[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 126 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Obviously the cops and prosecutors are real shitheads here, but I think some blame goes to a piece of shit principal who woukd call the police on an 11 year old.

[–] Perfide@reddthat.com 82 points 11 months ago

The DA and Principal are likely related, same last name. I'd bet this isn't the only incident between these two, with the principal setting up the targets and the DA knocking them down.

[–] ickplant@lemmy.world 56 points 11 months ago

She also apparently called CPS on a different mother for questioning her special education program.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

None of them should have any kind of power over others. If we ever manage to fix this system despite the dipshits that are trying to break it further, whether system comes next should have a specific focus on preventing people like this from getting power or keeping it if they manage to hide themselves until after they've gained power.

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[–] Whiskeyomega@kbin.social 115 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Chief Wiggum : No Jury in the World is going to convict a baby....Maybe Texas

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[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 94 points 11 months ago

Despite being accused of ignoring Texas laws which require parental involvement before such interventions, Cameron County District Attorney Rene Garza told a hearing Wednesday that his office was gathering further evidence against Murray, rather than deciding to drop the charges.

If the law protects you, it will be ignored and the people who ignore it will face no consequences for their lawlessness. The law is for hurting you, and only laws that hurt you count.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 93 points 11 months ago (4 children)

What kind of incompetent principal reacts to trouble making elementary schoolers by calling the cops on them?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 110 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This article:

https://www.texasobserver.org/why-was-this-11-year-old-honor-roll-student-put-in-solitary/

Should shed some light on the subject. Particularly:

Garza comes from a Brownsville education legacy. Her mother, Rachel Medina Ayala, was one of Brownsville Independent School District’s first female superintendents. Garza’s two sisters are also principals in the district.

So, in answer to your question:

What kind of incompetent principal reacts to trouble making elementary schoolers by calling the cops on them?

A nepotism hire with a vindictive streak.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Jesus Christ, I didn't even know dynastic public school administrators was a thing...

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[–] 520@kbin.social 89 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This ain't incompetence, this is a power trip. She also called CPS on a mother for questioning her special education needs program

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 40 points 11 months ago

The same that calls CPS on parents

Other parents have also complained to the outlet about the principal. One mother said that, after a meeting with Garza about her 5-year-old in which her own mom questioned the school's special education plan for the boy, Garza called Child Protective Services on her.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

Conservative ones. Conservatives should never be in a position of authority over others, especially children!

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 71 points 11 months ago (5 children)
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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 56 points 11 months ago (5 children)

This is the same detention center that had an employee who embezzled 1.2 million dollars worth of fajitas over the course of 9 years. He only got caught because he took the day off to go to a doctor's appointment and a delivery of 800lbs of skirt steak showed up that no one else was expecting.

What I'm saying here is the Darrell B. Hester Juvenile Detention Center isn't known for the fastidious oversight of its employees.

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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 56 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Well thats just an entire chain of people that are so completely divorced from reality, common sense, and compassion, that humanity would only benefit from them being skimmed out of the gene pool.

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[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 27 points 11 months ago (3 children)

One mother said that, after a meeting with Garza about her 5-year-old in which her own mom questioned the school's special education plan for the boy, Garza called Child Protective Services on her.

Garza's mom questioned it? Or the 5yr old's? Or the mother of the 5yr old's? Who is "her" referencing?

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[–] GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Is there anything the Texas government ISN’T afraid of?

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This seems very strange, like it took place in a parallel universe or something.

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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Americans have truly lost their minds...

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