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Okay folks, it is the off season time for useless debates.

If you could change one thing about F1 (and just one thing you anoraks) what would it be and why?

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[–] eksb@programming.dev 27 points 11 months ago

Run one race a year for the unwashed masses. Tickets are cheap and by lottery. Infield camping. No generators. No luxury booths. No RVs. Tents only. No re-entry. First year at Watkins Glen.

[–] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Get rid of all the energy recovery/engine size/fuel efficiency rules.

I want to see what kind of technology engineers come up with when the rules simply say "you get X kg of fuel per race, figure out the most efficient way to use it."

Better yet, specify X units of energy and the teams decide the source: hydrogen, battery, hydrocarbon, etc.

[–] SatouKazuma@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Oh god. Imagine a car powered by uranium...

[–] metaStatic@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

imagine an F1 car with an Orion drive

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[–] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Now I'm picturing the ensuing turn 1 carnage after a Fallout car explosion.

[–] SatouKazuma@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Lol there wouldn't even be a circuit anymore. Hell, the entire city would be wiped off the map.

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Weirdly enough it would be very slow. Or supersonic in pieces in one direction once.

[–] SatouKazuma@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

True. I'd love to see the materials science that would be required to pull that off. Right now, battery technology...isn't great compared to the advancements humanity has made in electricity generation the past twenty to thirty years or so. That, and the current bulk of battery materials are either ethically problematic (e.g., lithium), quite toxic (e.g., nickel), or both (e.g., cobalt).

[–] CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I wonder if the best option then would be a gas/methanol generator and electric motors.

You’d only need to design a generator for one RPM so no transmission. Instant torque, regenerative braking, and let’s add AWD, active aero, and torque vectoring.

[–] oxideseven@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

Yes!

A similar idea I keep telling friends is to have one car be a spec f1 car, the other is full prototype no holds barred so long as you stick to whatever the general formula might be like the weight you mentioned. But as few limitations as possible.

One car is innovative and got the constructors, the other is for the drivers and the skill.

I wanna see F1 make innovations!

[–] toma@lemmy.omat.nl 20 points 11 months ago

If you cause a yellow or red flag in qualifying your fastest time is taken away instantly. You are ruining the laps of others and you can not benefit from it imho

[–] UESPA_Sputnik@feddit.de 14 points 11 months ago

Reverse-DRS. Every driver who is more than 1 second behind another driver gets DRS to catch up but then they have to work hard for the overtake.

It's probably nonsense but I'd love to try it out in a handful of races.

[–] oxideseven@lemmy.ca 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Replace the sprints (and Monaco) with some kind of drivers exhibition.

Have them all race in the same car, a car that can be rented at that track. B that way fans can go to the track on track days rent they same car and see how they stack up.

This is a win in so many ways.

We get to see who the best drivers really are. It gets rid of stupid sprints. The track gets off season attention and money. Fan interaction, and so on.

[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Make it a kart race (most if not all of them come from karts, after all). Or see them all in F2 cars. Or something like that.

I would also like to see a virtual championship with all the actual drivers too. Some of them are already into eSports, but wouldn't it be nice to see them all compete in simulators? I don't know, I think it may be fun to watch. :P

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[–] Squeak@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (13 children)

I’m going straight in there with the controversial ‘I’d change the 2021 result’.

At least, I would change the decisions made by Masi at the end of the race. Not just straight up take the title off Max.

But I know that’s not really the spirit of your question. So to follow that, I’d just get rid of sprint races.

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[–] toma@lemmy.omat.nl 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Get rid of track limits. I never want to hear those words again. Put a tire barrier in the corner you don’t want people to cut. automatically sanction people who cut the corner and do it immediately. Add an extra bit of asfalt that drivers have to drive on as soon as the have cut a corner, so they loose 5 seconds per lap when they do that. Be creative.

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They always say the asphalt corners and run offs are for safety, which I get. I have always figured there should be a grass/gravel moat though. Get a meter or so of stuff the drivers don't want to drive on right at the edge of the track. The. Turn back on to asphalt. That way if they really fuck it up they are safe but it keeps the drivers from tipping a toe over the line.

[–] Localhorst86@feddit.de 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Get a meter or so of stuff the drivers don’t want to drive on right at the edge of the track

mines.

[–] WhyDoYouPersist@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In the drivers' briefings tell the drivers that a construction crew has mistakenly dropped a box of nails off their truck on some random unknown portion of runoff outside of track limits.

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[–] tankplanker@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Reintroduce another tyre supplier on top of Pirelli forcing competition rather than the artificial throttling of tyre life we get now in order to make racing closer. I am sick of Pirelli being told what to do with tyres to introduce competition. Lets have the cars being able to max out the tyres for longer. Make it mandatory that the grid is evenly split between brands and not by PU.

It was bad during Michaels time with Bridgestone as Bridgestone only made tyres for Michael and Michael tested endlessly to provide data to improve the tyres (and rest of the car). Testing is limited now, although we will probably need a few testing days just for tyres over and above the current schedule.

[–] Kramt@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

But the issue is the FIA wants to have a certain tyre degradation, how would a second supplier bound by the same rules solve anything?

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Make the cars lighter and smaller.

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[–] Psymonkee@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Bring back proper defending going into corners - no more of this stupid one defensive move and then just let the other driver sail past. Make them work for it.

Oh and single lap hotlap for qualifying with the order drawn by lottery. Stop them complaining about traffic.

[–] Zonefive@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

No changing tires during a red flag.

I was tempted to say no working on the car AT ALL during a red but I'll settle for just the tires.

Edit: for clarification, a red flag for an accident. Obviously a red for weather is a different situation.

[–] argo_yamato@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago

Might not be a popular change but I would like to see less races. Feels like there are way too many and some of the newer street courses aren't that great. One of the reasons I follow IMSA more than F1 is that there were only 11 races last year. For me that made each race weekend something to look forward to.

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 8 points 11 months ago

The running of a sport like a business. I don't want authoritarian regimes sportswashing their crimes by paying for a big race. I don't want rights-holders playing with formats and locations in order to promote their brand for a new target audience. I don't want to have to pay through the nose to watch my favourite sport because a rich corp bought up the broadcasting rights.

I despise the very concept of sponsors and advertising, but I can at least acknowledge that it pays the bills for my best boys to race their colourful cars. All the rest can fuck right off!

[–] alphacyberranger@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

More tyre manufacturers, less street circuits, reduction in car size just to name a few

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I knew there would be an anorak somewhere.

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[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

More tyre manufacturers

No one else wants to supply tires that purposely destroy themselves.

[–] BenadrylChunderHatch@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Make them do the first lap on foot.

[–] bestusername@aussie.zone 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Sprinklers!

Set to turn on at a random lap number for a random amount of time.

[–] Gsicht@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Get out of here Bernie, you no longer run the show!

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[–] atp2112@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Now I'm imagining a steward dashing across the track dumping ice cream toppings on the apex

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[–] Localhorst86@feddit.de 7 points 11 months ago

There's lots of little things about current F1 to improve, but sprint races are the most egregious offender. Get rid of sprint races entirely. They were bad when they set the grid for Sunday, they are even worse now that Saturday is essentially its own, separate event.

[–] th_in_gs@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 11 months ago

I think the success of features based on calculated track position - like DRS and the Virtual Safety Car - proves that the time has come for Mario Kart style power-up cubes. Project them onto AR displays in the drivers’ helmets, and show them on the TV feeds.

  • Mushroom allows the driver to cut corners and speed over track limits.
  • Squid ink appears in the field of view of all other drivers’ visors.
  • Verstappen gets blue-shelled and all his power cuts out until he’s stationary!
  • etc.

Call me crazy, but I think in 10 years time you’ll be looking back on this post as prescient.

[–] chocolatine@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Remove DRS. We don't need more overtakes, we need more battles. DRS overtakes are boring.

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[–] Ejh3k@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)
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[–] TammyTobacco@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I just want it to be competitive between teams. I'm sick of a single driver or team winning every single race all year. It happened with Lewis and now max, and since I don't care about drivers racing for 10th, it ruins the racing for me.

[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I just want it to be competitive between teams. I'm sick of a single driver or team winning every single race all year. It happened with Lewis and now max, and since I don't care about drivers racing for 10th, it ruins the racing for me.

I understand your frustration, and I don’t mean to be dismissive here, we all want closer racing. But there are plenty of racing series with spec cars or more homologation so that competition is ensured between teams. But Formula 1 isn’t just about the drivers vs the drivers, it’s also very much about the teams vs the teams. And often one or two of them nail the regulations better than others.

There are, and have been, competitive seasons. But there’s no guarantee that every season will have real competition for the top spot. Which is why finding enjoyment in the teams’ struggling against the teams near them is key to the sport.

Obviously there are steps taken to keep the teams closer in performance (the formula itself, cost caps, wind tunnel and testing restrictions, etc) but of course we can still end up with situations like this season, where the perfect combination of driver and car runs away with it.

(Though this last season was, of course, historic. Toppling the “most dominant team over a single season” record that had stood since 1988.)

[–] florge@feddit.uk 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Get rid of tyre blankets for qualifying. Would mean drivers would have to warm up the tyres themselves before a push lap, which should lead to faster out laps.

[–] Sentau@feddit.de 6 points 11 months ago

We will have multiple slower laps instead of a single faster lap. See F2 for proof of this.

[–] Ruscal@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

This will cause all sorts of problems. Pirelli tires have a pretty small window of temperatures when they are working. Cold tires mean bigger chance of crashing on outlap. Cold tires mean many slow laps to heat them to correct temperatures. I would say it is a good idea, but not with current tires.

[–] Hillock@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Make the Sprint Race start in reverse driver standing order. Would fix the awkward Friday qualifying. New schedule would be Friday practice 1&2, Saturday qualifying and sprint race. Friday race.

Would also make the Sprint race actually interesting because everyone has a reason to care and fight

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[–] FigMcLargeHuge@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago
[–] koolkiwi@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Get rid of the Sunday race in Monaco, build the entire weekend around some sort of super qualifying

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Remove sprints and most city circuits

[–] alienangel@sffa.community 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Make them switch directions every year.

Like to clockwise around Monaco one year, but counter clockwise on the same track the next.

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