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PARIS, Nov 27 (Reuters) - Six teenagers go on trial behind closed doors on Monday, accused of involvement in the beheading of French history teacher Samuel Paty by a suspected Islamist in 2020 in an attack that struck at the heart of the country's secular values.

The teacher had shown his pupils cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a class on freedom of expression, angering a number of Muslim parents. Muslims believe that any depiction of the Prophet is blasphemous.

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[–] DolphinMath@slrpnk.net 165 points 1 year ago (3 children)

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[–] Potatisen@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago (17 children)
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[–] capital@lemmy.world 153 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Maybe these people would be happier moving to a country where their religion is forced down from the government? Maybe go there?

You’re incompatible with western society so change or get the fuck out.

And before anyone jumps down my throat I’m speaking specifically of those who don’t accept that things like freedom of speech includes things they don’t like.

[–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

They are here to expand their religion, not for escaping their country or freedom of speech. They are using freedom of speech to make themselves a victim while expanding their religion in the back.

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[–] bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com 143 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seems like a fair and reasonable response to a cartoon.

The religion of peace strikes again.

[–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Religion of love!

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 130 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Religion ruins everything. Also here is a painting of Mohammed

[–] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 79 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Nothing to add, just thought a cock n balls would improve it, seeing as he was a pedo

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Did we just become best friends?

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[–] TIMMAY@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

fuck mohammed, peace be upon him

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[–] Locrin@lemmy.world 126 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Islam is so touchy. Even pointing out Mohammed was a bandit and a pedophile gets them going and that is just straight facts anyone can get from reading about his life.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago (24 children)

Religious extremists are the touchy ones. Plenty of Muslim folks who go on with their lives in peace.

I do agree that islamist extremists are the worst.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

To be honest, the Nationalist Christians (Nat-C’s) that we have here at home are pretty fucking unsettling. They know that it’s their god-given right to be in charge of everything and they will “save” everyone by trying to force their twisted interpretation of religious texts onto the populace with zero compromise, because “that’s god’s plan”.

They’re just as bad as Islamic extremists; they’re just committing their violence in more official channels and in a slower fashion, up until the day that they manage to get an unshakable hold on power (read: establish a “theocratic” dictatorship, like the Republic of Gilead from Handmaid’s Tale, which they took as an aspirational goal instead of a cautionary story).

[–] quicksand@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

Yep. They're killing people through legislation and propaganda, instead of more directly observable ways. But it's still clear

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[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Yeah, at the most, the Muslims in my life would've said "hey I find that disrespectful can you please not" and go about their day.

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[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 21 points 1 year ago

In Europe there are more Muslim refugees though, than, for example, in North America which gets more regular Muslim immigrants.

It's a specific problem in Europe with an influx of refugees from war torn and poor countries who are often troubled, more extreme in their religion and potentially less educated (because they fled from shitty countries).

I guess it's more connected to those circumstances than with Islam in itself. Statistically, more educated and better off people are less religious. I suspect that's the same with Muslims?!

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[–] jedi@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I believe every extremist is touchy. Fuck religion!

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[–] Crow@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was a class lesson on freedom of speech… oh gee.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

In a way he was an amazing teacher

[–] gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

all religions are cancer. ALL. period. I can criticise any fanatic of any religion the same way I criticise the fanatics of the religion I grew up and was brainwashed to follow. I was able to leave. For some people it may be more difficult because of the situation in their country. However, the people who migrate in mostly atheistic west countries, they continue being fanatics by choice.

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

However, the people who migrate in mostly atheistic west countries, they continue being fanatics by choice.

There are Arabs who migrate to Europe because they're not allowed not express their disbelief in their home countries.

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[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 year ago

Sad little cowards can’t live in a free world where people can have their own thoughts on belief.

[–] ruplicant@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 year ago (8 children)

i'd just like to comment on this comment section

since i've joined lemmy some months ago i've seen the nuanced discussion i was so relieved and happy to find here degrading. this section ilustrates that well. the nuanced and cautious are still there, but are being briganded against in a way i don't think they were before

maybe i'm sounding like an "eternal september" elitist here, but i do like open discussions on the internet, with all the ugliness that's bound to happen. i just really hope with all my heart that, in the midst of it all, the good things don't go away

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 31 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


PARIS, Nov 27 (Reuters) - Six teenagers go on trial behind closed doors on Monday, accused of involvement in the beheading of French history teacher Samuel Paty by a suspected Islamist in 2020 in an attack that struck at the heart of the country's secular values.

The teacher had shown his pupils cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a class on freedom of expression, angering a number of Muslim parents.

One of the minors is a 15-year-old girl who allegedly told her parents that Paty had shown caricatures of the prophet in her class.

Paty, 47, was killed outside his school in a Paris suburb by an 18-year-old assailant, born in Russia of Chechen origin, who was shot dead by police soon after the attack.

France is home to Europe's largest Muslim minority and has suffered a wave of attacks by Islamist militants or their sympathisers in past years.

In the wake of Paty's killing, some teachers acknowledged they censored themselves to avoid confrontation with pupils and parents over religion and free speech.


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[–] spirinolas@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

When I was in high school I screamed in the middle of biology class "those are not gonads, those are balls!". I still feel bad about it because the teacher was so nice and I was a nightmare.

I feel a bit better.

[–] CrabLangEnjoyer@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm sorry what? 2.5 years? Is that a joke? Those animals should never set foot outside prison walls again no matter their age.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 38 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Did you just read the headline and get outraged without pausing for even a second to think "2.5 years for murder and mutilation can't be right, I better read the article"?

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[–] money_loo@1337lemmy.com 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The five other minors to be prosecuted, aged between 14 and 15 at the time of the attack, will be charged with premeditated criminal conspiracy, or ambush.

They are suspected of having pointed out Paty to the murderer or helped monitor his exit from the school.

They weren’t involved in the killing, they are guilty of pointing him out.

[–] Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago (21 children)

So they were responsible for it

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[–] Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

These kids haven't killed anyone. A weird guy told them who is the teacher who's insulted Muhamad, here is 300 EUR, I'll teach him to not do it again

They couldn't guess what was about to happen, and now live with the guilt and trauma which is a worse sentence than any jail time

[–] anlumo@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

You’re presuming a state of mind, just as the other people you’re arguing against are. We don’t know if they regret it or not and never will.

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