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A new court filing has revealed “hundreds of threatening, harassing, disparaging and antisemitic” threats made to Judge Arthur Engoron, who is currently presiding over the civil fraud trial of former President Donald Trump in New York and trying to get the gag order he imposed against Trump reinstated.

Trump already violated Engoron’s gag order twice, costing him $15,000. An appeals court paused the order last week, citing Trump’s “constitutional and statutory rights.” But the threats have caused serious security concerns for Engoron and his staff, especially his principal law clerk Allison Greenfield.

One voicemail, according to an affidavit filed by court officer Captain Charles Hollon, stated: “Trust me. Trust me when I say this. I will come for you. I don’t care. Ain’t nobody gonna stop me either.” Another said: “Resign now, you dirty, treasonous piece of trash snake. We are going to get you and anyone of you dirty, backstabbing, lying, cheating American. You are nothing but a bunch of communists. We are coming to remove you permanently.”

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[–] Carvex@lemmy.world 78 points 11 months ago (4 children)

In 2023, how are these threats not immediately traceable and punished? Even burner phones have to be registered these days, right?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Considering what happened to the January 6th insurrectionists, even if they're caught, they'll get a slap on the wrist.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

What? Many of them are in prison for over a decade.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'll have to find a tracker, but I think most of the insurrectionists received a very mild sentence, if any...

[–] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I think the only big punishment for them was taking away their guns since they're felons now. Though I doubt that will stop them

[–] acceptable_pumpkin@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Maybe the “regular” people, but show me one of the GOP members who has been put in prison? Especially the orange stain himself.

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[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 36 points 11 months ago

The cops and FBI are on their side, that's why.

Hell, a decent chunk of the posts are probably from cops.

[–] Steve@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago (2 children)

There is a long history of law enforcement not taking threats of violence seriously, when they come from white conservative groups.

The Secrete Service might. As far as I know they take all threats to the president as pretty serious. But that only helps the president, not the rest of us.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago

Perhaps in the past, but at least as of a few years ago, the USSS was heavily infiltrated by MAGA fascists.

Carol Leonnig’s book Zero Fail: The Rise and Fall of the Secret Service goes into great detail on how compromised that organisation has become.

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[–] Marin_Rider@aussie.zone 4 points 11 months ago

some of those who work forces, are the same that burn crosses

[–] books@lemmy.world 75 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Remember when hrc was lambasted for calling these folks deplorable?

I always thought she was right and she should doubled down.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

She was proven right in polls about their attitudes soon after.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately for her those deplorables vote.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well, anyone holding deplorable positions was not going to vote for her, no matter what. All the pearl-clutching tone police seem to overlook that when they lecture her...

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[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Unfortunately, being right doesn't matter in a popularity contest.

I do wonder how things would have panned out if she'd won - I can't help but think Trump would have been replaced by someone better able to overthrow democracy...

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I hope they are doing their best to track each one of these terrorists down and throwing the book at them. All the better to have these thugs wrapped up in the justice system with trials, prison time, etc...give them something to occupy their time, esp. if some other big event calls them (like J6), they can stay away due to serving time or having to show up to trial, etc...

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I hope they are doing their best to track each one of these terrorists down and throwing the book at them.

I'm sure justice will be as swift and harsh as it was for the January 6 insurrectionists. Which is to say, they'll slow walk it and hand out insultingly minor sentences when they absolutely have to do anything at all.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Federal judiciary doesn't take kindly to threats. Neither does the FBI.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I sure hope they start taking this all very seriously before the orange blob (or a proxy) is able to seize power.

[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago
[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

FBI is part of it but the us Marshalls oversee Federal courts, they're not super politically biased and will fuck some people up if given a reason. Don't fuck with the federal Marshall service.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Its whack how we have a whole ass terror cell in our government nobody does anything about.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 35 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Anyone else remember back in 2020 when the conservative bullshit spewing machine (Fox News) was saying how democrats weren’t going to be able to accept the outcome of the election and that conservatives handle these things with dignity and maturity?

[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They also tried claiming that Trump not accepting the election results was fine because Hillary didn't accept the results in 2016. This despite definitive proof that Hillary conceded that night. But they can't let something as pesky and minor as facts get in the way of their talking points.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Yeah they just lie, it’s not like the morons will fact check and even if they do stumble upon the truth it defaults to lib conspiracy.

Any conservative who hasn’t walked away from Trump and/or the federalist society never will. They are lost.

[–] spider@lemmy.nz 5 points 11 months ago

Hell, I remember those "Sore Loserman" signs from the 2000 election.

They've hit us with so damn much hypocrisy since then that maybe they just expect us to tune it all out.

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago

So innocent. Right folks?

[–] schwim@reddthat.com 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I highly doubt these mental midgets took care to properly hide their identity when making these calls. I'm fairly confident they could easily be round up and charged with criminal threats against an officer of the law.

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[–] Vant@lemm.ee 25 points 11 months ago

From the moment he was put on this case he knew his life as he previously knew it was over. He knew this was coming. Trump and his followers want to destroy the world if it refuses to conform to their wishes.

[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Trump already violated Engoron’s gag order twice, costing him $15,000.

I gagged. That’s less than the cheapest car on the market. For violating two gag orders in a civil fraud trial.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 18 points 11 months ago

Unsurprising. Republicans are cunts like that.

[–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean, his rights? Isn't the point of the judicial system to strip away some rights when you do something illegal?

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 23 points 11 months ago

in this case its all about the drawn out appeal. trumps famous not for winning, but for dragging cases out so long it doesnt matter anymore.

in this case, hes already guilty hes just literally throwing tantrums to create noise that might allow for an appeal. and its a longshot, as no one appears to be giving him an inch of appealable activity.

its painful to watch, but its all about the appeal avoidance.

[–] whatupwiththat@kbin.social 12 points 11 months ago

Fucking terrorists plain and simple

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago (8 children)

It's a good thing it's only white people threatening him.

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[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago

Only hundreds?

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