Can someone please ELI5 to me why people here hate teslas so much? They have some of the best manufacturing, battery and self driving technology in the world. Is it because of Elon? I don’t get it.

[–] Korne127@lemmy.world 67 points 10 months ago

Are you seriously saying they have some of the best manufacturing? My sweet summer child, even the Tesla fans that focus on the benefits of Tesla acknowledge that Tesla lays it's focus clearly on the power grid & battery and that the manufacturing is really low-quality.

[–] ares35@kbin.social 46 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

some of the best manufacturing

you've been drinking elon-flavored kool-aid, haven't you?

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They have some of the best manufacturing

Do they, now?

[–] gwildors_gill_slits@lemmy.ca 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Let's not forget the time they installed a piece of wood from home depot in a new car's engine bay.

[–] LastYearsPumpkin@feddit.ch 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Their self driving is not the best in the world, they're not really rated all that well in self driving, they just market it that way.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/25/business/consumer-reports-ford-bluecruise-tesla/index.html

Their infotainment system isn't great, their dashboard for the model 3 is in the middle of the car, and there's no speedometer where every other manufacturer puts it. The infotainment system also controls the wipers, climate, and everything else with a touch screen, making it less useful and more dangerous for an average driver.

Their manufacturing isn't outstanding, they had a target goal of full automatic factories, but instead have to rely on underpaid, nonunion workers, and it shows in the build quality.

They don't supply parts, info, and equipment to 3rd party manufacturers, making it more expensive to maintain and fix their cars.

Their batteries are average, but they intentionally lie on the range estimate to make them look better.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/

Basically, aside from the advantage of being the first major EV manufacturer, everything else commonly associated with Tesla is just marketing lies.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

...but instead have to rely on underpaid, nonunion workers

That's one thing the workers should definitely fix.

[–] Marcumas@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I work on Teslas for a living, and even if Elon was a good guy I would never buy one. They're garbage cars with good software.

[–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 21 points 10 months ago

My friend has a Tesla and thinks otherwise about the software, he thinks Tesla users are helping beta test the software/car, and one of his complaints is that the new vision based auto wiper is crap, they should have stuck with a rain sensor which have been working fine for the last ~10 years.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

No, the software is also bad.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

TÜV SÜD disagrees:

https://www.tuvsud.com/en/press-and-media/2023/november/regular-servicing-makes-all-the-difference

So does the NHTSA:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a44185487/report-tesla-autopilot-crashes-since-2019/

As well as owners in general:

https://www.reuters.com/legal/tesla-owners-sue-over-impact-software-update-ev-batteries-2023-05-12/

Also, yeah, Elon's a dick, but let's judge the vehicles on their own merit.

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 15 points 10 months ago

I've seen lots of comments (on Reddit) about lousy quality control on Teslas. The company also made false claims about range.

Big companies all act like psychopaths, so I don't know if it's worse than other car companies, but Tesla seems to have more than it's fair share of faux pas.

[–] dipshit@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

The cars are piss-poor quality. Better EVs exist already.

[–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

i don't care about tesla in particular but I hate how EV corpos keep marketing them as environmentally friendly when they are absolutely not

[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

EVs are the equivalent of e-cigs.
Maybe less bad than the original, but they bring their own issues while marketed like the solution for the problem.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

My pet theory (subjective experience having smoked both) is we're gonna find out later that they were worse for you in a way we didn't anticipate. This is coming from a guy who prefers the whole vape experience (ive smoked ~30 years) but it hurts my lungs in a way smoke doesn't, and i cough up way more phlegm. Vape fucks my lungs.

Anyway I've quit again (2 months!)

Shit, i was gonna continue your vape analogy and just ended up ranting, sorry

[–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 months ago

Congratulations on the 2 months smokefree! Quitting cigarettes is tough, you can be proud :-)

[–] Zoidsberg@lemmy.ca 9 points 10 months ago

Have you driven one? They're the most cheaply built EVs on the market. My 2007 Honda had straighter panel gaps.

[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Awesome tech and good products but terrible management.

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 months ago

After many many fuck ups, the most recent is that Tesla is trying to skirt labor rights in Sweden of all places, where labor is highly organized. The strikes have been hilarious to me, but labor is entitled to the value of all that it makes. Elon sucks, but this company would suck with or without him.

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

I'm more of a fan of the extraction based self driving systems