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df -h hates this one simple trick
I want to be high and mighty and dislike Snaps for all the technical reasons but the single most irritating thing is definitely all the loopback devices.
Followed closely by ~/snap
WHY NOT .SNAP?? IT'S ONE FCKING DOT
Fucking same, I had to write an alias so that df filters the loopbacks.
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Snap made me switch back to Debian. Ubuntu was awesome for a long time, but having snap glommed onto everything so much that it kept showing up on my headless boxes was too much.
At least we have Mint and Kubuntu
Kubuntu removed Flatpaks in favour of Snaps
Mint for the win! I really hope they make LMDE the main branch in the longer term.
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do you mean Kde neon? pretty sure kubuntu has snaps
Pop!_OS is based on Ubuntu and also strips Snaps for Flatpaks AFAIK
Yeah, it does, but if you try to install packages from apt, it still uses some Ubuntu repos and will try to sneak snaps and snapd in on you.
All Ubuntu had to do was NOT push snaps through apt and I'd probably be fine with them.
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Greybeard here. I don't know what a snap is.
Package format controlled by Canonical that has a lot of issues currently
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I can't even use my smart card because Ubuntu keeps trying to install the snap version of Firefox which can't access the hardware. Why does it keep swapping out every time I update releases? Why won't it let me be happy?! /cry
This is exactly why I'm switching to fedora. Just installed 23.10 and Firefox became a snap again. Ive been with ubuntu for over 10 years now, but I'm done.
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Just a few days ago I wrestled with the overzealous sandboxing and security of the Chromium snap. Had to get a Flatpak and even then had to use some flags to get the proper permissions enabled. Next time I do a refresh I'm going with Debian.
Give Linux Mint Debian Edition a look!
With all respect I'd like to ask, why most people in comments avoiding Debian like plague? It's good OG distro, stable as fuck, i know about old packages and all, but after daily driving arch BTW™ for 5 years straight all i can say is, I'm tired boss, I'm tired of nonstop updating, I'm tired of dependency hell that coming if you didn't updated your system for half a month, I'm tired of resolving repeating dependency hell when you'll have to reinstall half of your system to get it work another week, I'm tired of modern filesystems that locking themselves up completely when something goes wrong, so I'm just decided to give Debian a chance, and you wouldn't believe it, it's heaven, when you can just power up your system and it just works, without any trouble, yes, i have dated software, but it's worth it, and yes, 8 years ago, my first distro was Linux mint, and it broke when i used OFFICIAL GUI updater tool to update version of my mint, also I've upvoted your comment and don't mean any bad
Probably different experiences for some people. I don't currently use my computer for anything time sensitive. I'm studying web development and some minor programming on it and play video games by myself generally. I like to tinker and mess with stuff as well, so Arch and KDE for me is fine. I like getting new features quickly and I don't need or have a huge desire for the most stable system. If it breaks i just research how i can fix it and I've learned a lot doing that. When I do start actually working in development I'll probably use a more stable release with Gnome. So really just comes down to different strokes for different folks.
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OK I am more of a baby Penguin here, why do people hate Snap and Flatpack?
Flatpak is fine. Snap is Canonical's proprietary version, which ties you specifically to their app store. It's not designed to be an open standard but Canonical has made it compulsory in one of the largest distros (Ubuntu) and its derivatives. There are also problems with its sandboxing mechanism competing with AppArmor.
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There was an Ubuntu developer that left Canonical about a year or so ago. His reason was that he had spent a number of years (possibly over a decade, can't remember) optimizing some code and the kernel to get the fastest boot time possible.
Then he saw Canonical practically throw his work out the window by introducing snaps, which until recently was plagued by serious slowness on the first start of a snap.
He said it felt like his years of work just meant nothing at that point.
There are a number of reasons Flatpaks are a better open source option, even if they aren't perfect.
This hate comes mostly from Linux communities like here and on Reddit. When you see actual numbers, both are widely used for production use. They have lots of active users as reported in their respective blogs and websites.
That said, it is aware that both had problems. Most hate towards Flatpaks that I can see is from purists that prefer their distro shipping their packages with dynamic dependencies and uprated by their package manager. Also there is complains with outdated runtimes and stuff like how sandboxing works.
Snaps has all problems than before with some extras. When they were released, because of compression, they were painfully slowly to open and they affected boot time. Nowadays this is mostly gone, but they still keep a proprietary store, inability to have multiple repositories (stores) and they don't respect your home directory structure by placing a "snap" folder in your home.
Personally I use both and I'm happy with them. The proprietary store stuff does not bother me because I'm already trusting canonical binaries by using Ubuntu and they are easy to use and be productive with them.
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I get all the reasons why people hate snaps, and I think they're all valid. And I appreciate people looking out for others and warning them about problematic software.
But man am I lazy, and I was really happy I didn't need to set up Docker just to run Sonarr on Bazzite. I'm pretty new to Linux, and that looked like a whole intimidating process.
I am a Linux user for over a decade but I have no idea what this discussion is about. Can someone give me a tldr? I install some software using apt and some using the store and never have any issues.
If you install an app with apt and it has a snap it automatically installs the snap
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