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The thing is, Democrats have always had zero margin for error heading into 2024. Manchin was always unlikely to hang on to his seat. In West Virginia, the likely Republican candidate for Senate in 2024 is Jim Justice, the current governor of the state. Justice was elected governor as a Democrat, but switched parties at a Donald Trump rally in 2017, just a few months into his term, in one of the more pathetic “kiss the ring” maneuvers you will ever see from a full-grown adult. Manchin was most likely toast the minute Justice declared for the seat, and some polls have Justice beating Manchin by over 20 points.

Manchin was going to lose, and Democrats who hoped that he’d help them hang on to the Senate were simply fooling themselves. Frankly, instead of a conservative “Trump-lite” Democrat, the party should go find the most pro-abortion, pro-labor city commissioner in Wheeling and try to run a single-issue campaign on reproductive rights. That kind of candidate can lose just as hard as Manchin would have, but with a lot more dignity.

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[–] ME5SENGER_24@lemm.ee 67 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Every official party switch, while in office, should disqualify a person from their position as it disenfranchises the voters as they elected someone from party A or B and they deserve to be represented by someone from the party that was elected into power

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

It should immediately trigger a special election.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

or maybe we should stop voting for a party.

I know. Wild concept. but anyone who actually looked at his politics knew he was a DINO. maybe not a republican, but not a democrat either.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We need the alternative / ranked vote. That mitigates 2-party voting.

[–] MelodiousFunk@kbin.social 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But it's not perfect, so we can't possibly do that.

- Signed, people scared of possible improvement threatening their position

[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

More like they (politicians) would:

  • have to actually campaign rather than going to key campaign areas and ignoring those that couldn't help them win,
  • couldn't easily rig the game by gerrymandering the shit out of their districts to disenfranchise millions of voters, and
  • wouldn't be able to ignore the voters as easily once in office.

There's probably a lot more I'm missing but I'm sleepy!

[–] halferect@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately it's a two party system so if you don't vote Democrat or republican your are just voting against the party you side with.

[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

MOCs who live by partisan politics deserve for their careers to die by partisan politics too. Changing party affiliations while in office is a high crime that only somebody holding public office would be capable of even committing.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

If you defended him when he was blocking progressive legislation for you, don't you dare start acting like you don't like him now. You knew exactly who he was when he was doing what you wanted. He's the exact same person now that he was then.

We told you so. He got done betraying us and got around to betraying you.

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I’ll miss him running for senate 2 reasons:

First, sure, he isn’t likely to win, but you never know. Nov 2024 is a long way away.

Second, if he is running for senator, he isn’t running as a spoiler 3rd party candidate for president.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, but realistically, who wants him to run for president? He's about as charismatic as Mike Pence and has no ideas that appeal to anyone enough that would pull them away from either Trump or Biden. He's a fake centrist that just wants what's best for the coal industry.

He's also 1 year younger than Trump and 4 years younger than Biden. So just another old white guy.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Yeah, but realistically, who wants him to run for president?

People who like the second worst option.

[–] spaceghoti@lemmy.one 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Second, if he is running for senator, he isn’t running as a spoiler 3rd party candidate for president.

FTA:

Still, even Democrats who belatedly accept that Manchin was never going to help them hang on to the Senate now worry about Manchin throwing his jawline into the presidential race as a third-party candidate—perhaps with the “No Labels” party, perhaps as a running mate to Mitt Romney—and hurting Biden’s reelection chances that way. I am not concerned. If anything, Manchin’s candidacy would be more likely to take votes from Trump than Biden. There just isn’t a lot of data to suggest that there are Republicans who are willing to vote for Biden because of Trump’s unique threat to democracy but would throw their democracy-saving vote away on a third-party candidate. And the kind of Democrats who hate Trump but also hate Biden are generally on the more progressive end of the spectrum and hate Manchin most of all. Moreover, there is simply no evidence that Manchin is well positioned to appeal to any distinct block of third-party voters. The myth of Manchin as some kind of independent iconoclast has always been more powerful than the objective reality of Manchin: a coal lobbyist nobody trusts who lives on a houseboat.

So even then, he's likely to hurt Trump more than Biden as a political spoiler.

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people. Lots of people hate both Trump and Biden.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

I didn't know Manchin was going to lose anyway, that does change some things.

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Least democratic democrat ever. Hope you enjoy your cake.

[–] Seraph@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Don't let the door hit you on the way out... because I don't want ass prints on my new door."

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Thanks Mom™

[–] Iwasondigg@lemmy.one 4 points 11 months ago

Michael Scott singing Goodbye Toby running through my head.