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This is Microsoft’s latest annoying addition to Windows.

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[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 161 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The enshittification will continue until morale improves.

[–] ebits21@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 year ago

Or until you give up on the bullshit and just install Linux already (me 5 years ago).

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 129 points 1 year ago (18 children)

linux mint people. youre not really using as much windows as you think

[–] Melpomene@kbin.social 41 points 1 year ago (21 children)

I do wish Linux was friendlier for the average person. I use it and I recommend it (via PopOS) to some people but other folk would have a heck of a time with maintaining it.

[–] Smokeydope@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

My elderly parents in their 60s use linux mint daily and have never had an issue with it (admittedly I did have to set it up for them still). I just set up the desktop shortcuts for them to their websites and turn on automatic updates. The hardest part isn't using an alternative OS like mint or pop, its getting an average person to figure out how to install it. Getting into your BIOS to boot into the installation drive, re-partitioning your harddrive to free up space for dual booting or nuking windows off all together, those are the hardest parts for any first timers IMO. After youve done it a dozen times its no problemo but the first time is nerve racking at least it was to me.

[–] HC4L@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Kinda disagree here, my parents also won't install Windows or any other OS by themselves. An average person isn't going to switch to an alternate OS. Because they do not care.

An average person however IS going to want that specific Windows only mail client, legacy applications that don't run on Linux or use their bank website that isn't supported by Linux.

This is a one way ticket to making yourself the sole family sysadmin.

[–] brothershamus@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago

Becoming the sole family admin is an inevitability. Unless your family are all people who read manuals, and they're not, you are the sole family admin already and probably don't know it.

[–] jmankman@lemmy.myserv.one 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What the fuck bank do you use that looks at your OS and says "fuck that guy"?? It's a fucking website

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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

People say this but if you're just using something like Linux Mint, it's vastly simpler than Windows.

The search works. Never will you open the start menu, search for an app, and instead get ads and bing results.

All functions are done through graphical programs (terminal isn't needed).

It's laid out in the usual Windows UX, complete with a taskbar at the bottom, start button in the bottom left that opens a familiar menu, minimise, maximise, and close buttons in the top right of a window.

Apps are installed through an app store, rather than searching online, hoping you've downloaded the right installer, opening it, going through the installer, deleting the installer afterwards.

Auto updates can easily be enabled at first time setup, in the tutorial program that runs upon first boot.

A distro like Mint is easier than Windows or MacOS. It doesn't need to be made any simpler, it just needs to be available out of the box on more devices, because no average user will ever change their OS, not even to an easier to use one.

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[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

If you have to hit the command line, it’s bad for most people.

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[–] lustrum@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I installed Linux mint on my Framework laptop because fuck windows.

I had to move back to windows, it didn't feel ready and couldn't get it working easily how I like.

Heres some of the issues(any pointers would be great)

  • 120hz just wouldn't work on one monitor, it detects it but won't apply. (Works fine in W10 and Ubuntu).
  • Scrolling on the touchpad is unbelievably fast and makes it unusable.
  • Fractional scaling is a joke, my laptop screen needs around 125% but everything becomes a blurred mess.
  • The mouse is a bit jittery and can't explain why (usually using a Logitech gaming mouse when docked).
  • Governor cannot be different on battery and AC. Defaults to max turbo.
  • Fingerprint sensor doesn't work (works fine on Ubuntu and w10).
  • Unsure how to get hardware accelerated disk encryption working?

Some stuff is better but a combination of these just brings me back to windows. It just loads and works?

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[–] cholesterol@lemmy.world 73 points 1 year ago (8 children)

After leaving Windows I actually still get stressed just reading about stuff like this.

[–] init@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 year ago (4 children)

But are you sure you don't want to make Edge your default browser??

[–] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why do you think you need to download Chrome? Write a 500 word essay explaining how it's better than Edge.

(For real, though, it's not. Use Firefox.)

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[–] CeeBee@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This exact same thing happens when trying to cancel a subscription. Magellan TV wouldn't let me continue to cancel my subscription until I selected a reason for the cancellation.

So I exited the process and contacted support with the message "your website will not let me cancel without providing a reason".

They replied with "you can just select a reason and then it will allow you to continue"

To which I said "and where's the option to cancel without you holding my account hostage until I do what you demand of me?"

They replied with confirmation that they've cancelled my subscription for me.

It seems petty, but no company should be allowed to forcibly extract additional info out of you when you want to cancel. They can ask all they like, but never force.

[–] dafo@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Here in Sweden you can cancel a subscription however you wish (as long as it's within reason). You can send a company snail mail, email, go by their office, phone, text, whatever reasonably reaches them. They're not allowed to pull the "Oh, buy you have to call [number which leads to an antichurn department]" or "please tell us why" (but of course they're gonna try anyway. If it's an online form you usually have a "I don't want to disclose why"-reason).

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[–] realitista@lemm.ee 47 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm okay with this as long as one of the options is

"Because fuck you, that's why."

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[–] ares35@kbin.social 44 points 1 year ago (4 children)

if there's a 'fill in the blank' after choosing 'other'...... their 'ai' is going to melt from the responses.

[–] IHeartBadCode@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I know my response. ' UNION SELECT username, password FROM users--

[–] tslnox@reddthat.com 15 points 1 year ago

Or you could call good old Bobby Tables.

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[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hey, Lemmy user in this thread: you're likely in the top 0.1% expertise of all computer users worldwide.

This prompt is aimed at my boomer dad, who wouldn't know what that funny icon is but read somewhere to close his apps for better speed. If his OneDrive docs disappear, I'll get a call about it. At the same time, Microsoft probably can't sell anything to my dad ever again, except his Office 365 subscription, so that makes him the product.

Microsoft is usually pretty good at letting tech users disable this kind of stuff with powershell commands or registry keys, which you already know how to do. And of course businesses join windows PCs to domains and disable this stuff centrally too.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

Your stuff wouldn't disappear if Microsoft didn't keep stealing it and storing it on their servers, insteads of leaving it on your PC where it belongs.

This isn't for your boomer dad, this is for Microsoft. You pay them for software, they steal your data. They're literally worse than Facebook and Google now.

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[–] heygooberman@lemmy.today 40 points 1 year ago (6 children)

First with Chrome, now with OneDrive. What exactly are they trying to do with these "explanations" aside from annoying their user base?

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

it's barrier to exit

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[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

selects other

'get fucked'

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

The only option anyone should select make their analytics useless.

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is the software giant equivalent of the Simpsons out of touch meme.

They're frantically looking for why nobody likes them while they're aggressively doing the thing that nobody likes them because of.

IMO, this is a bit like having a fellow student in your same grade in highschool who asked you out on the first day of class despite not really even knowing your name and when you declined, they asked you why every day for the entire year, and no matter what you said, they would still ask again tomorrow, because your answer never satisfied them.

Listen to me Microsoft, you have a few winners, like Windows, maybe office/365 for the business folks (though, formerly, it was exchange), and a few other gems. Don't ruin the reputation you still have for making half decent operating systems by turning them into an ex that just won't stop calling.... IMO, this whole thing started when you axed MSN Messenger, and forcibly merged it into Skype, rather than bringing clever upgrades from the Skype codebase over to messenger. Everything went downhill from there. Even teams is still tainted by the Skype for business shenanigans that happened. You messed up. Stop irritating the clientele that you still have and give it a rest. Just make a good operating system, and focus on innovation. I haven't seen any of that from you folks since the release of the NT kernel; it's all been predictable iterative changes.

Back the hell off.

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[–] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Especially infuriating is that I use OneDrive for work and I've got it running all the time but Microsoft decided I need another instance of it running, that I then have to close every time it decides to start up again. What?

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[–] dynamojoe@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

They're training an internal AI on documents in OneDrive, I bet.

[–] spiderkle@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's close to malware. I recently helped a friend with his Surface Pro; He had two instances of Onedrive as well as two of Teams running. One with his private Account and one with work & school. There just wasn't an easy to find quit option for him anymore so everything was constantly running his battery dead and autostarting after rebooting.

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

why would you even want to use a computer if it doesn’t have at least two copies of teams and onedrive running at all times? is there even anything else to do on the computer (besides making Bing Searches of course)?

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[–] Saki@monero.town 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The same URL now: Microsoft gives in and lets you close OneDrive on Windows without explaining yourself

Update November 10th, 4:45AM ET: Microsoft has removed the dialog forcing users to fill out a survey when quitting OneDrive, and reverted to the original prompt. In a statement sent to The Verge, Microsoft says:

Between Nov. 1 and 8, a small subset of consumer OneDrive users were presented with a dialog box when closing the OneDrive sync client, asking for feedback on the reason they chose to close the application. This type of user feedback helps inform our ongoing efforts to enhance the quality of our products.

The story below is unchanged.

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[–] No1@aussie.zone 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Reason: Other
Please specify: Nunya. Nunya bidness

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Does selecting Other let you enter in some freetext? Because this is begging for some nastygrams.

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[–] vortexal@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I know that this is just Microsoft trying get user feedback but because it's Microsoft, it still seems bad. It's just seems so disingenuous when a company like Microsoft, that usually ignores all user feedback, tries to get user feedback for a product that, if they actually listened to user feedback, they would already know that a majority of Windows users don't want.

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Did you order the program to close?

You're goddamn right I did!

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[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Select other. Paste in Ulysses. Submit.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago

Shit. I really I hope "fuck you, I do what I want." is an option?

[–] ScaNtuRd@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like the EU needs to get on top of this

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[–] set_secret@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

this alone is going to push me away from using it. I'm very petty like that. anyone have good alternatives?

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[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

It really blows my mind that somehow most popular services/software is at state worse than 10-15 years ago, what the fuck happened? This shit is what is making me move to other interests/hobbies than technology-related stuff.

[–] Knightfox@lemmy.one 16 points 1 year ago

I have Windows 10, so things may be different for 11 or whatever version you're on, but can't you just uninstall OneDrive without specifically closing it? I feel like that's what I did when it was default installed.

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