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[–] sfgifz@lemmy.world 110 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Let's see what new excuse the US and Europe come up with to justify this while condemning the same acts by Russia.

[–] Shotgun_Alice@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Easy don’t acknowledge that anything‘s going on now. I’ve been watching western news media and there is now no coverage of Russia Ukraine situation.l, other then US politicians trying to get an aid package to Ukraine. Unsurprisingly, it’ll be tied to aid for Israel. This way they don’t need to preform mental gymnastics to condemn Russia and not Israel. I think the only story I’ve seen about Ukraine was about a family of 9 that was massacred in their sleep.

[–] GenEcon@lemm.ee 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)
  1. The war of Russia against Ukraine is still covered in most news – its just not happening much due to the current stalemate.

  2. The general consensus regarding Israel is the same like before the war: the Settling is breaking international law and needs to stop. At the same time Hamas is a terrorist organization. It's a classic 'everybody sucks here – but one side is significantly worse' and the palestinians are suffering from the conflict between Hamas and Israel.

[–] dimspace@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

War in Ukraine is still very much covered in the print/digital news. My two go-tos (the guardian and the bbc) both have dedicated section for the Russian Invasion.

I don't watch television news, but I can imagine there is less coverage on that simply because there is not much suitable video content to be broadcast and what there is is usually several days, or even weeks old for operational reasons.

[–] loutr@sh.itjust.works 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Come on, we're not monsters... We'll express our concern and politely ask them to stop.

[–] Blapoo@lemmy.ml 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Biden slam lone wolf attacks on Palestinian at West Bank

"It's a lone wolf attack, there's nothing we can do about it." Said Benjamin Netanyahu when questioned.

[–] Blapoo@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Those pesky wolves. Running around kicking people out of their homes. Wut ya gunna do?

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 9 points 10 months ago

"we arm them!"

"the villagers?"

"no, the wolfs!"

[–] Alterforlett@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

It's both infuriating and embarrassing

[–] satan@r.nf 8 points 10 months ago

For countries where killing millions abroad is simply a mistake, killing thousands doesn't even register in the conscience.

[–] abracaDavid@lemmy.world 97 points 10 months ago (7 children)

The article says that the only repercussions will be "talks" with the soldiers.

Just a few bad apples, right?

[–] febra@lemmy.world 107 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Remember when they shot a journalist in the head and provided a fake investigation into it that they then took back but still concluded in the end that the journalist was at fault for getting shot?

Remember when they crushed a 23 years old woman from the US to death with a bulldozer because she was protesting the demolition of palestinian homes, then they started an "investigation" where they found out they hadn't done anything wrong because they didn't see her even though the woman has been protesting there for hours and the soldiers that were there testified that she was being a nuisance for hours?

Remember the laws they passed that let the IDF destroy palestinian homes if they deem by internal investigation that they're somehow connected to "terrorism"?

Remember the laws that let IDF soldiers shoot kids if they throw rocks at soldiers in occupied territories?

Yeah... just a few bad apples.

[–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In response to the evidence, the IDF said that “the [soldiers’] conduct that emerges from these scenes is grave and inconsistent with the values of the IDF. The incidents are under investigation. The IDF commanders will hold talks with all the soldiers on the front. One soldier has been dismissed from reserve service.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 27 points 10 months ago (9 children)

Being dismissed from service is too little for actual murder.

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[–] erranto@lemmy.world 71 points 10 months ago (4 children)

The most moral army in the world they say, Forces of Light against forces of Darkness they say

They are reveling on spilling Arab blood unhindered, indulging in the most vicious fetish of a supremacist ideology . humanity can go fuck itself

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Reminder that the West Bank is under Israeli occupation against international law (UN resolutions 446, 452, 465, 471, 476 (not an exhaustive list); the Venice Declaration) since 1967. The only countries to deny illegality are: Israel (and the US if you believe Donald Trump lol). This is an exhaustive list.

[–] doom_and_gloom@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago

The most moral army in the world they say, Forces of Light against forces of Darkness they say

Any group that makes that claim immediately sounds like a fascist ethnostate.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 63 points 10 months ago (5 children)

This sounds like when pics emerged of American troops pointing finger-guns at the genitals of Muslim men in potato sacks on baskets.

Holy shit, I can't find the Gitmo pics of the lady doing fingerguns at their junks. I'm sure I could if I spent enough time, but 4-5 searches didn't get their. That's even more disturbing. This was a huge issue.

[–] Schmuppes@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago (13 children)

Look for "Abu Ghraib pictures" and you'll find them.

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Or the torture in Abu Ghraib prison. But don't worry, the perpetrators got severely punished by being dishonorably discharged from the US Army. Then two of them married each other.

Edit: Looks like you are already referring to the Abu Ghraib tortures.

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[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 61 points 10 months ago

In another scene of violence caught on camera, a soldier kicks a blindfolded Palestinian man in the stomach, then spits on him and insults him in Arabic.

In one instance, a religious Jewish reserve soldier hugs a blindfolded, handcuffed Palestinian on the shoulders, and dances with him in circles while he plays religious music on his phone. He asks him, “Why don’t you dance” as the blindfolded man loses his balance.

These are the good guys. You know, the ones that don't want violence and only want to be safe from external threats.

[–] generalpotato@lemmy.world 54 points 10 months ago

“That’s cool and all but do you condemn Hamas though?”

/s

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 52 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I believe none of the people that committed the terror attack of 10/7 are in the West Bank.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Even if hundreds were there, maybe they should work with the PLO to get rid of a theoretical common enemy? Nope, oppression of all Palestinians is the real goal of the IDF. They hate all Palestinian groups because they want all of them gone at some point in the future. If they wanted any sort of peace or coexistence, they would be bankrolling Palestinians who oppose Hamas, but they don't, so they don't. Those evil fucks willingly endanger their own citizens by empowering reactionary fuckheads like Hamas. It's awful.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 45 points 10 months ago (4 children)

This is the issue of apartheid. Apartheid doesn't mean the government is evil, but it protects evil people when they do evil things.

When you have two populations with unequal rights, there's going to be some assholes who are going to exploit that. That's just human nature

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 17 points 10 months ago

It's also a feature of fascism. The police didn't do anything to stop brown shirts from burning down Jewish businesses.

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[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 43 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Why is American media not showing any of this? Reading or watching US news is like being in a parallel universe.

[–] antidote101@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Israel is really good at misinformation, disinformation, information warfare and controlled narratives.

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[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I thought about posting this to the community. Should I? It breaks my heart that we are collectively letting this happen.

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[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 42 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"The IDF has investigated ourselves, and we have found we have done nothing wrong."

You have everyday Israelis posting racist tiktoks making fun of Palestinian deaths, it was a given that if you take those same civilians and give them guns the abusive behavior would just get worse.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

“The IDF has investigated ourselves, and we have found we have done nothing wrong.”

From the article...

In response to the evidence, the IDF said that “the [soldiers’] conduct that emerges from these scenes is grave and inconsistent with the values of the IDF. The incidents are under investigation. The IDF commanders will hold talks with all the soldiers on the front. One soldier has been dismissed from reserve service.”

Not saying that the IDF is right on this one, at all, but all armies have aholes in them who do crap like this.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Well, the International Court of Justice will thankfully take any piece of evidence for war crimes.

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[–] filister@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (2 children)

At the end of the article they point out that they don't know how many of the reported casualties on the Palestinian side are Hamas fighters, but at the same time don't do the same with the Israelian casualties, and I believe around 300 were IDF soldiers.

Apart from that I think at least they are reasonable and also seem to be critical to their government's handling of the crisis.

And it is saddening what is happening in the West bank with the silent approval of authorities and army, that's called oppression and racism and isn't a good start for a much needed peaceful process.

[–] Zippit@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (5 children)

There are no Hamas on the West bank I'm told. They are restricted to Gaza and that's why it was an open air prison. These are just Palestinians that live and work there, but are not connected to Gaza.

Besides that, they moved all the real soldiers and reservists to the frontline and allowed among others, settlers to do the policing in the region with maybe 1 IDF person in charge when shit happens. I truly believe that's the reason why we're seeing this. It's assholes driving around, looking for Palestinians torturing and killing them. Afterwards it's always in self defense.

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[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 21 points 10 months ago (4 children)

You give people unchecked power over other people, and it will be abused. Occupying armies, prisons, police, clergy, you name it.

We just aren't nice monkeys. So power has to be transparent and accountable.

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[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

War brings out the worst in people.

[–] spiderplant@lemm.ee 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What do you mean war, the west bank is not controlled by hamas.

This is brutalisation by an occupying force on a population living in an Israeli controlled Bantustan.

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