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[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 107 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (26 children)

Wtf is wrong with people. The initial Hamas attack was bad. But Israel is now basically bulldozing Gaza and trying to turn it into a pule of rubble.

In what world does that make sense? They don't need U.S. aid or anybody else's help doing that. We should be internationally condemning what they're doing right now. Instead we are offering to give them money?

Am I crazy for thinking this is far far beyond a sane response. They have literally been killing children.

[–] simple@lemm.ee 64 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This isn't a response, it's what they wanted to do for over half a century now. Killing Palestine or shoving it to nearby countries was always the plan, Israel was just waiting for an excuse.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think it's a mistake to pretend like this has been a monolithic response for Israel. It's a little telling when people pretend like every action by the current government is and represents all of Israel for the last 50 years. This is the actions of an extreme radically right government. Netanyahu and his far right extremist allies have set this up and very likely been behind part of the entire debacle. For this reason as you suggest. However we should not pretend like his radicals have been running the entire country for its entire history. Anyone paying attention should know that these religious radicals have been at war with their own country just as much as the palestinians.

[–] UnspecificGravity@lemmings.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It doesn't really make sense to characterize a prime minster that is entering his (approximately) 16th year in office as being some kind of aberration. If the US elected Trump for four non-consecutive terms as president, I think would be fair to characterize the US right wing as being the norm rather than an aberration. How many times does Israel have to put a fascist in charge before they get a share of the blame for what he does in office?

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[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

What about all rubble in the West Bank? The settlements for more foreigners? The harassment everyday; especially in Jerusalem? This isn't just the last 50 years, it's been over 70...

[–] Elderos@lemmings.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They needed a good casus belli, this is as good as it is gonna get for them PR-wise.

Truth is virtually no country ever denounce shit if they have something to lose doing so. Geopolitics is rooted in each nation self-interest.

On top of that, Palestinians just hasn't been good neighbors and no country on earth want to bring the kind of chaos of taking them as refugees. So we have it. Most nations will root for Israel out of self-interest, and pretend there is no need to take refugees.

[–] SlikPikker@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago

You are very sane.

At least on this topic.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (5 children)

All in the name of defense of course. With the worlds most moral army, backed by the world's biggest blank cheque, how could this be anything but self defense. Oh and fuck those journalists and their families.

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[–] Assman@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Two years from now there will be no Palestinians in Gaza or the West Bank and the world won't do shit about it

[–] TylerDurdenJunior@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A few hundred from the total amount of dead civilians in Ukraine.

But Russian killing bad, Israeli killing good apparently.

Fuck this empire

[–] lolrightythen@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I don't understand why this is controversial. I'm not pro-palestine by any definition - nor anti, but I am very much opposed to one-sided conquests.

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[–] VirginWith40yo@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel is a terrorist state. Period.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Do you think terrorist means attacking civilians? Usually terrorism had the purpose of inciting fear on the larger side in an asymmetric conflict. Israel seems to be doing this moreso to get rid of the population, or at least to get at Hamas with absurdly low regard for civilians. Rather than making the population fearful.

[–] shatal@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Israel announced right at the start that its target is to eliminate Hamas and PIJ.

Since there are:

  1. About 30,000-40,000 Hamas members in the Al-Qassam Brigades and
  2. About 6,000 members in the PIJ and
  3. Assuming 1 civilian casualty per 3 combative casualties

Then unless something substantial changes, the death toll is expected to rise to around 50k-60k . This is really just the beginning.

[–] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This is an holocaust.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 0 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


U.S Secretary of State Antony Blinken was heading to the region for talks Friday in Israel and Jordan, after President Joe Biden suggested a humanitarian “pause” in the Gaza fighting to let in aid for Palestinians and let out more foreign nationals.

Roughly 800 people — including hundreds of Palestinians with foreign passports and dozens of wounded — have been allowed to leave Gaza over the past two days, under an apparent agreement among the U.S., Egypt, Israel and Qatar, which mediates with Hamas.

But the Biden administration has pushed for Israel to let more aid into Gaza amid growing alarm in the region over the destruction and humanitarian crisis in the tiny Mediterranean enclave.

More than 3,700 Palestinian children have been killed in 25 days of fighting, and three weeks of bombings that often level large swaths of neighborhoods have driven more than half the territory’s 2.3 million people from their homes.

A senior Hamas official, Ghazi Hamad, dismissed Blinken’s visit, saying the U.S. aims “to give more cover for the vicious assault on Gaza” and “impose its own political solutions.”

The Israeli military’s chief of staff, Herzi Halevy, said his forces were encircling Gaza City from several directions and “fighting in a built-up, dense, complex area.”


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