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[–] simple@lemm.ee 64 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This isn't a response, it's what they wanted to do for over half a century now. Killing Palestine or shoving it to nearby countries was always the plan, Israel was just waiting for an excuse.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think it's a mistake to pretend like this has been a monolithic response for Israel. It's a little telling when people pretend like every action by the current government is and represents all of Israel for the last 50 years. This is the actions of an extreme radically right government. Netanyahu and his far right extremist allies have set this up and very likely been behind part of the entire debacle. For this reason as you suggest. However we should not pretend like his radicals have been running the entire country for its entire history. Anyone paying attention should know that these religious radicals have been at war with their own country just as much as the palestinians.

[–] UnspecificGravity@lemmings.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It doesn't really make sense to characterize a prime minster that is entering his (approximately) 16th year in office as being some kind of aberration. If the US elected Trump for four non-consecutive terms as president, I think would be fair to characterize the US right wing as being the norm rather than an aberration. How many times does Israel have to put a fascist in charge before they get a share of the blame for what he does in office?

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

His current government is an aberration though. His latest coalition isn't the same one as in past years. It's far more radical. Ignoring that is beyond dangerous to the entire situation.

You have pivoted your argument from "this government isn't actually representative of the will of the Israeli people" to "its dangerous to ignore how much more fascist this democratically elected leadership is than the past governments, which were literally made up of the same people." No shit, this government is dangerous, no one is arguing against that. It is ALSO the government that the people of Israeli have chosen, over and over and over again. Israel is a fascist right wing nation because they have chosen to be that.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

What about all rubble in the West Bank? The settlements for more foreigners? The harassment everyday; especially in Jerusalem? This isn't just the last 50 years, it's been over 70...

[–] Elderos@lemmings.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They needed a good casus belli, this is as good as it is gonna get for them PR-wise.

Truth is virtually no country ever denounce shit if they have something to lose doing so. Geopolitics is rooted in each nation self-interest.

On top of that, Palestinians just hasn't been good neighbors and no country on earth want to bring the kind of chaos of taking them as refugees. So we have it. Most nations will root for Israel out of self-interest, and pretend there is no need to take refugees.