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Hamad said that Palestinians are the victims of the occupation, therefore no one should blame them for the events of October 7 or anything else, adding: "Everything we do is justified."

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[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

MEMRI is run by (former) Israeli intelligence and has been panned for being blatantly anti-Muslim: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/aug/12/worlddispatch.brianwhitaker

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz -5 points 1 year ago

Ah, thanks for the information. The guy is real though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghazi_Hamad

[–] zib@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And this is the big long-term problem with Israel's campaign of open genocide. They don't care how many innocents are killed as long as they wipe out Hamas, but in the process, they're inspiring more fanaticism in the region and fueling Hamas and other similar groups. Both Hamas and the Israeli government are terrorist organizations and they have a symbiotic relationship. The only real losers here are the innocent people caught in the middle.

[–] Dildade41@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Forgive my uninformed position here, but I'm sure they are aware that you can't defeat terrorism by murdering the ever living piss-fuck out of everyone. There must be another motivation for just killing everyone.

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Taking their land. It's easier when there's no one to displace.

[–] chepox@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Is taking their land effective though? Wouldn't it just spawn cells within the newly acquired territory or other regions and continue?

So much hate can only spawn more hate.

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Not in the formerly Palestinian territory, because all the Palestinians would be dead.

In other areas, such as nearby majority Muslim countries like Lebanon and Syria, yes, but then Israel could argue that they were being attacked as a nation, even more like 9/11 than the Oct 7th attack. They could use that as justification for strikes into those countries, since everyone let the US do it in Iraq and Afghanistan.

It just depends on how much they want to go for the military victory.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

That's the best part then you can steal more land! israel just keeps magically gaining land! The ever expanding lebensraum for the chosen people!

[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Taking their land is how this all started

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Lots of nations were succesful by murdering everyone

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Staying ahead of corruption trials.

[–] stella@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago
[–] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hamas is correct. "Israel" is a European settler colony, and like other European settler colonies, it depends on the removal of the indigenous population and theft of their land. Palestinians have exhausted every possible alternative to violence over decades, and it's brought them to the brink of extinction. Their options are to fight for their lives and right to return to their homes, or to be exterminated as a people by the Israeli state. Palestinian Jews existed before Europe created Israel, and they'll exist as equals after Palestine is free.

[–] stella@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Israel was given to the Jews as an 'apology' for their treatment during WW2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-1ujiY_4C4

All Western nations agreed. All Arab nations declined.

Guess who got their way?

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I think founding Israel where it is was a huge geopolitical mistake, but I don't know how that knowledge helps at all today when that mistake is completely solidified.

[–] stella@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It helps so people remember why Palestinians are upset in the first place.

[–] thilo@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Thank you. Let us start working with the status quo. Israel right now is starting to realise that netanyahu is not the right guy and palrstinians/gazans need to accept, that they are mere cettle to hamas/abbas.

Also the arab world needs to work on this compromise with the palestinians and stop using them as propaganda tools.

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