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[–] TheRaven@lemmy.ca 167 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It would be pretty funny for a court to actually determine that a “just business” is synonymous with “doing evil”

[–] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago

/r/selfawarewolves

[–] Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 months ago

In general I think business is not good or evil. They just operate on law frameworks given to them.

If company can be 30% more efficient by being more "on the edge" of law and regulation, it is more probably going to succeed.

This is why governments must regulate the hell out of everything, because the system itself is not doing it. It should include data protection, unions, environment etc.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 103 points 10 months ago (24 children)

Can’t fool me, they gave it away when they removed “Don’t be evil” from their motto back in 2015.

[–] FrostyTrichs@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me—you can't get fooled again.

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[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago

The first time I saw the slogan all I could think is "a normal not-evil person doesn't need to make such a disclaimer".

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[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 86 points 10 months ago (1 children)

These are not mutually exclusive statements.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 53 points 10 months ago

That venn diagram would make a functional wheel.

[–] alonely0@programming.dev 63 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A publicly traded company is legally obligated to be evil.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Are you perhaps referring to the myth that the law requires companies to maximize shareholder profits above all else?

[–] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ok I was ready to disparage your link since the domain ends in .ai, but actually that was a decent read and a pretty good argument. I'm glad to have better knowledge of the actual court rulings.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 7 points 10 months ago

I didn't even look at the URL, to be honest; it was the most layman-friendly and succinct article that was from the last few years that popped up in a quick search, but there's plenty of similar articles from other sources if anyone doubts this one.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

There is no law that says they must. But shareholders are justified to fire C suite who don't. And realistically shareholders only care about profits. Therefore they effectively must. Regardless of it not being "law".

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[–] Boogiepop@lemmy.world 60 points 10 months ago

Is profit at any cost morally irresponsible?

No, it's the consumers who are wrong.

[–] Paradachshund@lemmy.today 49 points 10 months ago (2 children)

We can and should no longer accept "it's just good business" as justification for morally reprehensible actions.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 13 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Accepting it is what makes it good business. We stop accepting it, it costs money and then it's no longer good business.

Business is purely profit driven. We need to make morally wrong things costly. Orders of magnitude more costly than doing the right thing.

Blame the ayer AND fix the game.

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[–] kaibae@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Okay. Google isn’t evil, business is.

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[–] the_q@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Does he not know that business IS evil?

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[–] m13@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Capitalism is a curse that instills the most evil traits in all of humanity.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

Worse; it rewards them.

[–] Veraxus@kbin.social 28 points 10 months ago

So… evil.

“That’s not a shit, it’s a doodie!”

[–] RedDoozer@lemmy.zip 28 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Business are soulless evils

[–] devbo@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It takes people (souls) for a business to exist.

some people are evil.

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[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 27 points 10 months ago

“Hey man, just doing our job to maximize shareholder value”

[–] Befernafardofo@feddit.it 26 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Slavery was just business at some point, what kind of justification is this?!

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[–] Gabu@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

Good argument for dismantling Google and any other company of similar size.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No, businesses are people. Corporations have fought to make that a distinction. So therefore it can be evil. Can’t have it both ways.

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[–] spudwart@spudwart.com 19 points 10 months ago

"Nothing ~~Personal~~ evil, Kid"

"Just Business"

[–] nomecks@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

A business is only as moral as its least moral shareholder. Shareholder Primacy is the law.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

It can be two things, jackass.

[–] Gingerlegs@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

You can see how one could easily be confused…

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 10 points 10 months ago
[–] Starkstruck@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No one thinks they're the bad guy. That doesn't change the fact that their actions speak for themselves.

[–] ashe@lemmy.starless.one 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)
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