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[–] TheRaven@lemmy.ca 167 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It would be pretty funny for a court to actually determine that a “just business” is synonymous with “doing evil”

[–] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

/r/selfawarewolves

[–] Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

In general I think business is not good or evil. They just operate on law frameworks given to them.

If company can be 30% more efficient by being more "on the edge" of law and regulation, it is more probably going to succeed.

This is why governments must regulate the hell out of everything, because the system itself is not doing it. It should include data protection, unions, environment etc.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 103 points 1 year ago (24 children)

Can’t fool me, they gave it away when they removed “Don’t be evil” from their motto back in 2015.

[–] FrostyTrichs@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me—you can't get fooled again.

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[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

The first time I saw the slogan all I could think is "a normal not-evil person doesn't need to make such a disclaimer".

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[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 86 points 1 year ago (1 children)

These are not mutually exclusive statements.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 53 points 1 year ago

That venn diagram would make a functional wheel.

[–] alonely0@programming.dev 63 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A publicly traded company is legally obligated to be evil.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Are you perhaps referring to the myth that the law requires companies to maximize shareholder profits above all else?

[–] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok I was ready to disparage your link since the domain ends in .ai, but actually that was a decent read and a pretty good argument. I'm glad to have better knowledge of the actual court rulings.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 7 points 1 year ago

I didn't even look at the URL, to be honest; it was the most layman-friendly and succinct article that was from the last few years that popped up in a quick search, but there's plenty of similar articles from other sources if anyone doubts this one.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

There is no law that says they must. But shareholders are justified to fire C suite who don't. And realistically shareholders only care about profits. Therefore they effectively must. Regardless of it not being "law".

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[–] Boogiepop@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago

Is profit at any cost morally irresponsible?

No, it's the consumers who are wrong.

[–] Paradachshund@lemmy.today 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We can and should no longer accept "it's just good business" as justification for morally reprehensible actions.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Accepting it is what makes it good business. We stop accepting it, it costs money and then it's no longer good business.

Business is purely profit driven. We need to make morally wrong things costly. Orders of magnitude more costly than doing the right thing.

Blame the ayer AND fix the game.

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[–] kaibae@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Okay. Google isn’t evil, business is.

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[–] the_q@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Does he not know that business IS evil?

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[–] m13@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Capitalism is a curse that instills the most evil traits in all of humanity.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Worse; it rewards them.

[–] Veraxus@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago

So… evil.

“That’s not a shit, it’s a doodie!”

[–] RedDoozer@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Business are soulless evils

[–] devbo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It takes people (souls) for a business to exist.

some people are evil.

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[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago

“Hey man, just doing our job to maximize shareholder value”

[–] Befernafardofo@feddit.it 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Slavery was just business at some point, what kind of justification is this?!

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[–] Gabu@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Good argument for dismantling Google and any other company of similar size.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, businesses are people. Corporations have fought to make that a distinction. So therefore it can be evil. Can’t have it both ways.

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[–] spudwart@spudwart.com 19 points 1 year ago

"Nothing ~~Personal~~ evil, Kid"

"Just Business"

[–] nomecks@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

A business is only as moral as its least moral shareholder. Shareholder Primacy is the law.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

It can be two things, jackass.

[–] Gingerlegs@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

You can see how one could easily be confused…

[–] Starkstruck@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No one thinks they're the bad guy. That doesn't change the fact that their actions speak for themselves.

[–] ashe@lemmy.starless.one 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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