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A law under consideration by the German parliament would mean that people who have committed anti-Semitic acts can never be granted citizenship, German Interior Minister Nancy Faeser said on Wednesday.

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[–] mojo@lemm.ee 38 points 1 year ago (4 children)

How are they going to detect that, a "yes/no" question?

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Per the article, past convictions.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] SCB@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Germany has banned that aspect of their history for quite some time

[–] jalda@sopuli.xyz 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They will use this law to deny citizenship to people from Palestine

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Likely to anyone who even feigns sympathy for them too, if German reaction to Palestinian Liberation protests are anything to go by.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's a quite simple line in Germany: Don't be violent and don't shout things like "gas the Jews" and you can protest. And thousands did in quite a number of cities on quite a number of days. Get out of your filter bubble.

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

If they had past convictions

[–] mojo@lemm.ee -4 points 1 year ago

And Ukraine I suppose

[–] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

Until the brain-scan is perfected.

[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

geeze get over your preconceptions about europeans, they have words for yes and no...

yikes

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Already the case. To gain citizenship you generally have to have a clear criminal record, with the exception of youth offences, fines up to 90 days, and prison up to 3 month if it was on probation, unless the motive was antisemitic, racist, xenophobic, or otherwise contemptuous of humanity.

If they want to extend it to "has done something like that that wasn't illegal" then they're going to have a hard time before court as it would amount to immigration officials infringing on prerogatives of the judicature.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 19 points 1 year ago
[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Deal with it. If you want to make out with Hamas ,do it without german citizenship.

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

It was about time. All those diehard Erdoğan fans for example are pretty antisemitic in my experience.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why not make that hate crimes in general?

[–] yetAnotherUser@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Minister Faeser also makes it clear: "Racism, anti-Semitism or any other form of misanthropy stand in the way of naturalization - there is zero tolerance." A clear commitment to the values of a free society should therefore be a prerequisite for naturalization. Anyone who does not share values such as the dignity and equality of all people and the equal rights of men and women, or who even acts against them, may not become a German.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

But that's already in the law. Unless the idea is to throw the Rechtsstaat out of the window and remove the requirement that people have the right to a fair trial.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago

Because that's already in the law:

Sentence 1 does not apply if the foreigner was convicted of an antisemitic, racist or xenophobic offence, or other criminal offence evidencing contempt for humanity as referred to in section 46 (2) sentence 2 of the Criminal Code (Strafgesetzbuch) and sentenced to a prison term, fine or youth custody and the court judgment found that the offence was based on such a motive.

This is 100% performative bullshit.

[–] jcdenton@lemy.lol 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

Showing off Nazi symbols. Which already is illegal

[–] Murvel@lemm.ee -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You dislike jews because they are jews.

A seven year old could figure that out, or shit, read wikipedia idk...

[–] Lightdm@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are asking which way the minister wants to define the term.

[–] octatron@lmy.drundo.com.au 1 points 11 months ago

So its bad when Nazi's kill people indiscriminately, but when Jews do it to Palestinians that's totally fine?

[–] arymandias@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

I’m afraid the call is coming from inside the house in this case.

[–] mndrl@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

They can keep their own Nazis, just not have new extra foreigners.

[–] Hanabie@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

Why is it necessary to enact such a law in a foreign country? Germany isn't even on the same continent.

[–] sheev@lemmy.today -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Such a law is a prudent and necessary measure to ensure the stability and security of Germany. We cannot afford to allow individuals who may pose a threat to to become citizens. Europe must be vigilant in protecting its interests and ensuring the loyalty of its inhabitants. Anti-semitism, subversion and dissent must not be tolerated, as they can lead to chaos and rebellion. I fully support this law to maintain the strength and unity of Germany.

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Poe's Law moment. If you tell me you're parodying the slow descent into fascism, I'll believe you. If you tell me you unironically believe this instead, I'll believe you as well.

[–] neeshie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It's parody/satire, that's their entire account. Sheev P refers to sheev palpetine.

[–] geissi@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

and dissent must not be tolerated, as they can lead to chaos and rebellion

The party is always right

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

And how would Germany remain vigilant? The article gives exactly zero information about how Germany will adjudicate anti-semitism.

All in all, it sounds pretty disastrous for people's rights.

[–] Historical_General@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

You sound like chatgpt.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

This is a way to spin being able to remove organize citizenship to those who are supportive of Palestine or critical of Israel, and paint them as enemies of peace. This is Germany bringing back old traditions from the 40s.

[–] nobleart9932@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 1 year ago

Antideutsch out in force I see.

[–] artisanrox@kbin.social -4 points 1 year ago

Germany actively boots out and leashes nazis, while Israel elects them to office, parties with them, names districts after them, and permits them visits to the Kotel.

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Wild times.