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[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 94 points 1 year ago

The images show war crimes CNN. War crimes.

[–] Phanatik@kbin.social 90 points 1 year ago (56 children)

They're straight up razing the region into the ground. How the fuck are governments okay with this wanton destruction of people's lives and homes.

[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 79 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Because speaking out against Israel is very frequently (and maliciously) intentionally misconstrued as antisemitism to allow them to get away with crimes against humanity. It's been this way for decades, it's just a lot more open and obvious currently.

[–] zaphod@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's actually worse than that. For decades the media, politicians, and the Israeli government have deliberately conflated Israel, the country, with the Israeli government/leadership, the Israeli population, Judaism, the religion, and the Jewish community more broadly (including the diaspora).

So now any criticism of the Israeli government is a criticism of the country, the people, and the religion simultaneously, depending on what's most convenient.

And there's a few rather alarming types of political movements that deliberately blur the lines between the people, the state, and the leadership (and in this case the dominant religion) in order to minimize criticism and maximize loyalty...

[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Yes! Thank you for putting this out there. I always forget about that aspect of it, and I was actually just listening to an episode of Hood Politics (You wasn't outside part 2) that went over this and had a really good set of clips from a rabbi that expounded on this very topic.

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's not okay, but their reasoning is:

We have to rescue out citizens who have been taken hostage.

To do that we will send in troops.

To make it safe for the troops we will level all existing structures.

Dead civilians aren't our responsibility because they are not our people.

It's ghoulish, if someone kidnapped a family and hid in the basement of my apartment, no one reasonable would support demolishing the building with people inside their homes to get at them.

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Really weird to carpet bomb a country BEFORE doing anything about hostages that were taken there especially when the country is smaller than the state of Rhode Island by almost a factor of 10. Other countries have already gotten people freed, Israel was busy putting the hostages in danger.

[–] degen@midwest.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Add on to that the REFUSAL TO ACCEPT HOSTAGES because "we don't want your dirty bargaining chips (our citizens)". Yeah, really fucking weird.

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[–] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Israel (8550 square miles) is about the size of New Jersey. Gaza (141 square miles) is half the size of New York City and the West Bank (2182 square miles) is a little smaller than Delaware or two Rhode Islands.

For the west coast Americans, Israel is bit bigger than the SF Bay Area. Gaza is three times the size of San Francisco. The West Bank is roughly the size of Sonoma and Marin counties together.

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The gaza strip is 140 square miles. No ones dropping years worth of munitions on the west bank right now. All those bombs that added up to more than a year of the US bombing Afghanistan are falling in 140 square miles. You know where the bombs are dropping. Lets keep on the Afghanistan comparison. They have a quarter million square miles and got in one year what Gaza got in two weeks. Afghanistan has over 1700 times the area of the Gaza strip.

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[–] archomrade@midwest.social 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But "Israel has a right to defend itself".

[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I love that statement has no limits.

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[–] pleasemakesense@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It amazes me how accurate the IDF's intelligence seems to be, they seem to know every weapon stash and tunnel entrance in the whole of gaza /s

[–] qdJzXuisAndVQb2@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh no, uh, yea, they were all stashes. That house? Jihadi radio, yea. That garden? A fiendish cache of ~~turnips~~ um, bullets~~?~~

Hamas is a sack of shit org for using human shields and storing their shit in civilian residences, but the IDF is absolutely meting out collective punishment to civilians using that excuse. It has happened, sure, but fuck me, this wholesale destruction is horrific. And when Guterres alludes to that fact, the screams of objection are hideous.

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[–] sheev@lemmy.today 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The rebel incursions are a direct challenge to the authority and stability of the Empire. It's crucial to respond decisively to such threats.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

I think it's a star wars quote from tarkin.

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[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Things have gotten so out of hand. It is sad to see.

[–] Nighed@sffa.community 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There was a map somewhere that showed all of Gaza and indicated damage and destroyed - they seem to be focussing on destroying various small(ish) areas pretty much to the ground.

I assume they have intel on tunnel complexes there, or just want to be able to flatten enough to have 'safe' areas inside Gaza?

It's definitely a Russia style invasion style they are going for, not caring about collateral damage at all...

Edit: I can't find the image so I don't know if it was actually reliable

[–] steventhedev@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think you're referring to this Economist article which tracks the difference between October 6th and October 12th.

[–] Nighed@sffa.community 3 points 1 year ago

Not the exact map, but definitely showing the same thing (and a reputable source).

It is a huge amount of damage, but it is relatively contained (for now). I can't imagine you would feel safe in one of the undamaged areas though.

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