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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by Masimatutu@lemm.ee to c/europe@feddit.de
 

Meanwhile in Germany:

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[–] Liska@feddit.de 179 points 10 months ago (34 children)

You are aware that this is over 5 years old data (2017!) for the German electricity mix, right?

Please don't get me wrong, the scale up of renewable energy sources is certainly not going fast enough in Germany (thanks to our conservative government that ruled the country for 16 years until 2021!), but please argue this position using the real data for 2023 (57.7% renewables in the German electricity mix)!

[–] Masimatutu@lemm.ee 54 points 10 months ago

You're right, I'm sorry. I chose the picture because it was the first okay one I found in English. I'll change it right away.

[–] gigachad@feddit.de 33 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

our conservative government that ruled the country for 16 years

and the next 16 years, if everything works well Ü

!please kill me!<

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[–] ProcurementCat@feddit.de 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

And please don't forget that Germany exports 26.3% of its electricity, while France imports 16.4% of it.

So, Germany could cut 26.3% of its fossil fuel generation and go up to 84% renewables if countries like France wouldn't depend on it that much.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 77 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (8 children)

This is for sure fantastic, don't get me wrong, but Europe has also exported some of its most polluting industries abroad. And then we also wag our finger at places like China and India.

[–] ProcurementCat@feddit.de 60 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (27 children)

Meanwhile Germany could cut more than 13% of its fossil electricity sources if it didn't have to export electricity to "97% fossel-free" France. Overall, Germany exports 26.3% of its electricity.

So it could go straight to 84% renewables if other countries weren't dependent on its electricity.

[–] lulztard@feddit.de 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We have a deep-seated problem with corruption. Most politicians are just cockpuppets of the economy, and fossil fuel corporations have plenty of politicians stuck on their cocks. We were the forerunners of green energy, now we're just cum-soaked whores.

[–] TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works 27 points 10 months ago

Least horny upset german.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.de 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Aopen@discuss.tchncs.de 57 points 10 months ago (21 children)
[–] DieguiTux8623@feddit.it 33 points 10 months ago

Italy isn't any less

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

There's no "unknown ", so that's good at least.

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[–] kaffeeringe@feddit.de 52 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Schleswig-Holstein is at 100% wind since 2014. It's Southern Germany that lags behind. https://spd-geschichtswerkstatt.de/wiki/Energiewende

[–] RobertOwnageJunior@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Alter, es ist immer mein reudiges Bayern, oder?

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[–] idiomaddict@feddit.de 20 points 10 months ago (10 children)

I couldn’t be less surprised

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[–] trollercoaster@feddit.de 43 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Lots of coal burning leads to a powerful coal lobby leads to lots of coal burning, it's the circle of life. All that's missing is coal entering the food chain, IMO we should bring back coal butter, so the country can depend on coal even more and the coal lobby can make even more profits.

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[–] HollandJim@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Meanwhile here next door in the Netherlands, we have wind farms and solar all over, and we sell our energy to the UK...meanwhile we have some of the highest consumer energy costs in the EU.

Consumers get screwed over here a lot.

[–] Taringano@lemm.ee 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Kind of selfish form you, aren't you thinking about the shareholders?

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[–] occhineri@feddit.de 35 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Since it says "right now", I doubt this listing is qualified for discussing the general state of the energy transition in these countries.

Edit: I checked it. Spain's gas share (as a random example) was significantly higher than 17% all over 2023 when summed up monthwise with wind contributing up to 30%.

Edit2: correct data for Germany for the same time mark: 52% fossil free (38% wind)

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

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[–] Magnetar@feddit.de 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Those poor Czechs just cannot afford vowels.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

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[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 28 points 10 months ago (7 children)

It's very a good sign, but I do have doubts about those figures. It's all too easy to look at total demand and total renewable generation, while ignoring the fact that the country is a net exporter and thus produces more than 100% of its demand - with the remaining uncounted percentage not being green.

"Fossil free" isn't exactly a recognised term, either, in which case fossil free =/= net zero =/= completely green.

[–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This data is plain wrong, at least for some countries.

96% for Portugal would be amazing, but that seemed excessive so I looked it up, renewables accounted for 73% only.

I mean, it not bad, but we could be 99% there by now if the governments weren't pandering to utilities and fossil companies so much.

Edit: sorry forgot to link the source for power data

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[–] gajustempus@feddit.de 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

we may all say a big "THANK YOU!" to Philipp RΓΆsler (FDP) and Peter Altmaier (CDU) for both destroying the German PV-industry, establishing the "Solar-Ausbaudeckel" and the CDU/CSU as a whole to block and hinder wind power for over a decade very effectively.

And their very hard work to make Germany overly dependent on fossil fuels, to keep it that way and therefore blow ALL climate goals appears to be a success model, as the CDU/CSU are currently winning the public opinion with that intend, whilst those trying to follow the steps of our european neighors are slammed into the ground (just as our PV industry).

In other words: Germans don't want clean air. They don't want a future.

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[–] yata@sh.itjust.works 24 points 10 months ago

Climate impact by energy type in Europe can be monitored live on this site.

[–] Waker@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I'm Portuguese and as much as I'd love to run on 96% green energy I can't believe it... Last time I checked (it was quite a while ago I'll give them that) we imported a lot of nuclear energy from France. So unless France is 100% green and still has a green energy surplus (which it isn't/doesn't) we're just transfering our carbon footprint...

We do have a lot of wind turbines so maybe we don't import as much anymore but still...

[–] localhost443@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 10 months ago (12 children)

Nuclear is green though, so France is a good place to be importing from. It also has the lowest mortality rate per kWh of all power sources, Chernobyl included.

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[–] carbonicnoodle@feddit.de 21 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Meanwhile in Germany: +13 GW new renewables so far this year...

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[–] cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 18 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Meanwhile in my country, renewable energy sources are frowned upon and the government just announced plans to build 3 new coal powerplants.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Rational governments get that fossil fuels aren't going anywhere, coal and oil will stay just where they like they have for longer than humans have been a thing.

Capitalist societies tho... private companies own those fossil fuels rights and they want to sell as much as they can for as long as they can.

We should be planning centuries in advance, not a financial quarter at a time.

[–] bleistift2@feddit.de 14 points 10 months ago

Ha! β€œPlanning”

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[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm going to assume that those numbers only represent electric power generation. I wonder how much international import/export of power might change them.

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