It's been mask off overnight with this
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Indeed, and as this thread shows, even much of the western "left" we see on main lemmy instances is genocidal to the core.
The western "left" are nine of ten settler-descent. I genuinely don't know why we expect anything of them but the most ghoulish takes that don't belong to self-avowed democrats.
The western "left" are nine of ten settler-descent.
In North America and Australia yes, but the term settler does not apply in Europe for the most part, however i would argue that in Europe it's worse than just the settler chauvinism exhibited in the overseas colonies, they are out and out Euro supremacists in much of the European left.
The vast majority of social democrats i know (and most people here are some flavor of social democrat) have the exact same mentality as expressed by EU chief Borrel: "we are the garden they are the jungle". In fact a lot of Europeans even view the colonial nations like the US as being half part of that jungle, not quite barbarian but not truly civilized either.
European leftists make fun of the US for not having our social safety nets even while ours are crumbling around us. They are aghast at the US police killing black people with impunity, but they seem oblivious to how Europe is murdering African migrants by the hundreds as they attempt to cross the Mediterranean.
They point out with a smug feeling of superiority how racist Americans are, and then mere minutes later when the topic of the Romani people comes up they will sound like Adolf Hitler. They will decry how horribly warmongering the US is but then call for rearmament and war with Russia in the next breath.
Generally agree, but it's worth noting that the garden and jungle narrative traces back to a US neocon by the name of Robert Kagan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle_Grows_Back
fucking hell of course it was bobby k
European liberals have a weird relationship with the US. They have a grovelling admiration for the US system and the elite liberals running it and see them as high-minded defenders of lofty ideals of freedom and democracy and thank then from saving Europe from fascism and from communism. The people of the US on the other hand are seen as uncultured swines, a bunch of obese racists stuffing their faces with cheeseburgers, too dumb to build a welfare state, pass gun regulation or even point out where Mexico is on a map.
I tried to (ostensibly) semi-ironically drop a "social democracy is the objectively the left-wing of fascism" the other day, and got roundly condemned by self-described 'comrades' for even making the joke. People sometimes really are blind when they want to be.
I was reading a book by Enrique Lister, the Spanish Communist and Marxist-Leninist on Leninism and Opportunism. The key target of the book is the reformism and opportunism seizing the ostensible 'communist' parties in Europe during the growth of ultra, reformist and opportunist groups during the 70s and 80s, i.e. when 'eurocommunism' was becoming a thing. The French Communist Party (the PCF, only communist in name now) is a stand-out case, cos they were at a point filled with Marxist-Leninists and are now defending the fascist police unions and have just declared their solidarity with Israel. Externally the soc dems will always support imperialist projects, and internally they will always side with the fascists against us. They will cry economistic tears over inflation, but would dare question too hard motives or costs of the war in Ukraine, rampant Sinophobia, will never really challenge fascistic relations with the Roma, and continue to see Europe as a become of the social-democratic achievement, while being ridden with cognitive dissonance as they have supported the dismantling of the welfare state, or have only been willing to complain occassionally loudly about it.
Betrayal, opportunism and imperialism are in their political genetics. Literally. The more astute ones are aware that Europe's economic resources necessary for their paltry services and welfare are possible because of imperialist exploitation. This is most obviously true in the case of France. And those who aren't would accept it or make excuses the day they get power, because they do not pose any challenge to the capitalist order. This is proof that they are idealists, because they do not understand that you cannot simply will the end of imperialism and its violence by decree, but that it requires a change in the material conditions of the society. They do not see that they themselves are an expression of this system attempting to patch-up its own decay, that they are the final legitimators of the imperialist order.
Christ the PCF supported israel and the hog unions? Absolute shame on them. I hope they stay irrelevant in french politics just for their euro-centric supremacism, reading more into them they generally seem like the worst 'communist' party in the western hemisphere. Is there any actual alternatives to this opportunistic party?
Also about the fascism part? People seem to forget fascism is when the capitalist nations exhaust their traditional bourgeoise politics to control the populace, and revert to Nietzsche style government of total obedience to the reactionary state.
Liberal parties are purely economic, we count parties like the social democrats, and even the republicans as liberal, since they belong to the 'centrist' sphere of political and economical status quo. This doesn't discount the obviously trajectory towards far-right politics and tolerated fascism we're seeing now, but the term fascism will come again in the future, when the capitalist classes see their project of imperialism in jeopardy, their economies begin to disintegrate, and the rising consciousness of the working class, we will see the future regimes (primarily from the west) as fascist. All I can say really is organise as effectively as possible.
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Absolutely right. It has never been more transparently clear than it is today that social democracy is just the left wing of fascism.
I mean I was semi-ironic in that while soc-democracy stabilizes capitalism from the 'left' while fascism does it from the right, and they have a kind of symbiotic relationship made evident in capitalist crises, there are too many differences in terms of ideology, behaviour and how they govern for me to feel at all really comfortable in literally identifying them. They are both pro-capitalist but they have different structures, functions and mechanisms within capitalism.
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I agree with this completely
I think support for Israel is stronger in North America because even most of those that call themselves 'hard left' are unwilling to see themselves as colonizers and part of the ongoing oppression. Sure they say they support rights for Native Americans... but how many are emmigrating? How many would cheer when their family or friends are killed for Native Americans to retake their land?
Deep down a lot of North Americans know they're just like the zionists but do the pro Palestine gig to compensate for this
And yet even with all of what you pointed out there is still more support for Palestinians in North America than there is in Germany. Perhaps the rest of Europe is better, i know Ireland definitely is, but in Germany it is catastrophic. It is almost illegal to express support for the cause of Palestine here, you can get in serious trouble if you call Israel an apartheid state, and most of the "left" with the sole exception of communists parrots the same "Israel has a right to exist and defend itself line".
I mean the masks really came off when brown and black people started catching strays in the Ukraine conflict. "Relative civilized, relative European, and not a place where you would hope war happens", "garden and jungle", "blonde haired, blue eyed", etc etc
Nah Germany has done the anti-corbyn-esque actually the left is anti-semitic since before the 70s. Like I had the most rapid wannabe “anti-racist” tell me “yeah you can criticize Israel but boycotting israeli products is literally doing the holocaust.
Why do so many people just casually diminish the Holocaust like this?
Because its a gotcha thing. For them its the worst possible thing they can imagine and so they use to highlight how “morally” wrong something is.
The 90s actually. The "anti-German" political tendency in the left became prominent in the Kommunistischer Bund (a new left organization from north Germany) in the late 80s.
With the decline of other new left groups and of the Communist Party because of various reasons including Gorbachev, the fall of the GDR whipped the anti-nationalist left into a frenzy, starting from the "Germany, never again!" protest in Frankfurt in 1990. The KB had split into two factions, one of which ("Bahamas") was involved in the creation of Antideutsche ideology. It involves unusual positions like Pro-US, and pro-Israel positions, as well as opposition to criticism of finance capital as antisemitic, hostility towards religion, distrust of "the masses" as well as a belief that Germany is inherently fascist.
Antideutsche have supported the Iraq Wars and basically every middle eastern intervention, but opposed the bombing of Yugoslavia (1999). Their peak of popularity was probably around 2003 and are sharply declining nowadays.
Are they trying to invite the comparisons now? We all know what happened last time colonizers draped their symbols on the Brandenburg Gate.
"This time we support the Jews"
It always astonishes me how that leap of logic works for libs. They totally misunderstood the Holocaust, the Nazis, all of it. They just believe it was bad because it was antisemitic, therefore if someone is doing the exact same shit to a group that isn't Jewish, it's not bad. I just can't understand how they can miss the point so badly.
Racism, sexism, etc... Are just a list of rules to follow. If they're not in the rulebook then they don't deserve your consideration
I wonder what bullshit I'm going to see tomorrow morning as I commute to work, passing through the neon-lit towers of Tallinn's Tornimäe district. Will they be in Isnotreali or UKKKraine colours tomorrow. An update: Nope. All of the neon stripes on offixe towers and the giant Ferris Wheel on the roof of the T1 mall is still the 
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estonia is made up of beet and onion slop eating hungarians who polished the cocks of german horses for 1,000 years before being elevated to sapience by the USSR
Holy shit that is a brutal analysis of Estonia.
It's just racism.
They were uncivilized Barbarians, until the socialist man's burden helped elevate these ingrates to civilization 😊
I mean considering their actions in Africa, is this surprising?
stalin shouldn't have stopped at berlin
germany becoming a facist state again realy fast
Germany is really the most cucked nation in history. They could have followed the immeasurably preferable East German socialist model, where the social bonds were so much better that apparently cumming - contemporaneously a mythical entity in West Germany - was far more likely among couples in the East, and probably had the most progressive gender relations of any modern society. Instead, they became self-loathing liberals circle-jerk who will weaponize their guilt to support the current contemporary fascists in the modern imperialist project, and simply because they are the descendents or part of the same community as the Germans and others they genocided.
There's something so violently ghoulish and hilarious about this image.
Truly, Germany once again embraces a fascist regime doing ethnic cleansing, but the regime is run by people they tried to genocide so that makes it OK in their minds.
"There! Now it's like the holocaust never even happened!"
what's up with the bloodstain on some of the columns
and the shitstain on some columns? settlers running away leaving souvenirs?
They didn't even remove the orange paint 🤣
Admittedly, not a first
Germany: Supports the Nazis in Ukraine and Israel(aka the closest thing to Nazis in the Middle East)
😯
Can I ask a silly question?
Do you think that if Germany did explicitly support Palestine and come out against Israel (obviously won’t happen) they’d just be called Nazis and people would claim Germany was reverting back to the state they were in in the 30s? This isn’t a defense, by the way, I’m honestly just curious. If anything they should’ve just kept their damn mouths shut.
Yeah absolutely, Zionists argue in bad faith. It's exactly what they did Jeremy Corbyn. They deliberately conflate anticolonialism, anti-imperialism, and anti-Zionism with hatred of Jews. If they can convince people that Israel is "the only democracy in the Middle East" with "the most moral army in the world", they can convince people that those campaigning against their human rights abuses are antisemitic liars.
Israel should've been created out of land taken from the Germans.
I’m honestly confused why it wasn’t in the first place…
They would, but my counter is anyone atleast where I am breaths a bad word about isn'treal your either anti-semetic, or a self hateing jew, so maybe just maybe they should grow a backbone and not wholeheartedly support the opressor
There's always this to use as still very relevant source material. Or to give a good hard smack across the face with:
Probably