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[A]n INI configuration file in the Windows Canary channel, discovered by German website Deskmodder, includes references to a "Subscription Edition," "Subscription Type," and a "subscription status."

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[–] q47tx@lemmy.world 553 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Microsoft would really help Linux out if they did this.

[–] Veedem@lemmy.world 202 points 1 year ago (10 children)

For the average consumer, this would help Apple and Google out more than anything. People want what they know.

On the more savvy user side and for gamers, this move would, potentially, help Linux adoption rates.

[–] penguin@sh.itjust.works 83 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It would help all of their competitors. A non zero number of people would move from windows to each of the others.

Whether or not the number moving away from windows and on to each of the others is significant or not is a different matter.

The biggest thing helping Linux right now is Valve's work improving the gaming experience, IMO.

[–] Veedem@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Even the rumor of this makes Valve’s focus on Linux seem that much smarter.

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[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 66 points 1 year ago (16 children)

I’d switch at that point. I’ve only not switched because the pain isn’t worth the reward right now. I’d have to learn a bunch of new apps and hasn’t been worth it.

Start charging a subscription fee. I’ll learn to use whatever tools a priority.

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 year ago (20 children)

Trust me, it’s already worth it. Literally every other operating system in existence is better than windows. I’d use Temple OS before going back.

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[–] 1bluepixel@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I've been hearing a variant of this since I joined Slashdot in 1999. "Microsoft really messed up this time, mainstream Linux adoption is right around the corner!"

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[–] steeznson@lemmy.world 235 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I'm looking forward to the Year of the Linux desktop ™️

[–] jigsaw250@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (27 children)

Right now, my Windows 10 installation is pretty bloatless and is easily revertable when an update wants to change things. However I'm definitely looking for a more mainstream Linux solution because I know these times won't last.

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[–] moody@lemmings.world 200 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Remember when Microsoft said that Windows 10 would be the last edition?

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 90 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In effect, it will be for some people fed up with all this bullshit.

[–] lordgoose@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As someone who switched to Linux primarily because of Windows 11's never ending BS (bugs, resource mismanagement, etc) and the inevitably end of Windows 10, I can confirm that Windows 10 will be my last.

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[–] Zoldyck@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago

They're not wrong. It'll be the last Windows for me.

[–] idontknowman@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

tbf, it was Jerry Nixon who said that, a developer evangelist for microsoft, not the company itself. the media just ran with it.

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[–] UlrikHD@programming.dev 161 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

I don't believe for one bit that windows will move to a pure subscription based model. They are greedy, but not stupid.

What's more believable is that the base OS will be the same as usual, but if you want fancy AI assistants in your OS, you must subscribe, with the justification being that MS must pay for the servers running the models you're using.

Yeah this sounds like the most reasonable outcome but companies have been surprising me recently with how dumb they can be.

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[–] Goronmon@kbin.social 107 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Can anyone confirm that my understanding of the source article is correct?

The "Windows 12 may require a subscription" is coming from the fact that the word "Subscription" exists in a Windows config file somewhere?

That seems like a pretty big leap to me. Not that I don't think it's impossible that Microsoft would do this, but the evidence here seems thin to say the least.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Yep!

Also lemmy is full of open-source Linux nerds who will upvote anything that bashes on Microsoft (oh excuse me Micro$oft for the old heads).

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[–] ItsMeForRealNow@lemmy.world 85 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Time to contribute heavily to Linux open source and make Linux desktops super useful to everyone.

[–] 0ddysseus@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, we're already there bud. Come on in, the waters fine

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[–] Talaraine@kbin.social 72 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Maybe this will finally convince the world to move to Linux Mint

[–] Chais@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

You'll be surprised/dismayed how resistant people are to learning something new.

[–] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 79 points 1 year ago (9 children)

It's extremely obnoxious to suggest that people don't use Linux because they don't want to learn something new. They don't use it because there's absolutely no need for them to do so when Windows is a fantastic OS for their needs

Even when you're a bit more savvy it's easy to configure Windows to your liking without all the bloat and spying

I'm perfectly happy programming a Pi for little projects so I know Linux wouldn't be a problem for me, but I simply have no need for the hassle

Linux users are like militant vegans; they do more to put people off Linux than promote it

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[–] JasSmith@kbin.social 27 points 1 year ago (17 children)

I'm technical and I still prefer Windows at home. Linux, as great as it can be for development, is not great for everyone. It doesn't "just work." My favourite example of Linux not "just" working is when Linus tried to install Steam on Pop_OS. He accidentally nuked the entire desktop. I could have easily done the same if I wasn't paying careful attention. One should never, ever be able to destroy their OS by installing Steam. That's part of the issue. When things go wrong, all of the instructions which present on Google are people providing terminal commands. Unless one is very comfortable with using the terminal, they're going to be copying and pasting these commands in and hoping for the best. This is what went wrong for Linus. This is far worse than following GUI based troubleshooting techniques which guide the user through defined and safe resolutions.

This over-reliance on the terminal is pervasive, and I find myself having to use it for everything from basic OS configuration to software installation to software configuration to drivers to hardware installation and troubleshooting. Every year I boot up a new flavour just to see if things have improved, and they haven't. Ultimately Linux is built by developers, for developers. That's great, and it does many things really well. I've just come to accept that it doesn't do consumer stuff very well. It lacks the UX polish present in Windows and MacOS, and most consumers like that. It fails especially hard when it comes to gaming. I literally cannot install any of my Fanatec wheel/peddle/shifter peripherals in any distro. Only 18% of games on ProtonDB are Tier 1. Even of those, it doesn't guarantee a trouble-free experience. Half the top streamed Twitch games just don't run on Linux at all, or require absurd workarounds and suffer from terrible performance.

I'll keep using Linux for my home server, but it's along way from replacing my PC or laptop OS.

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[–] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 62 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I have used Windows for a decade now and keep using it because my workflows and the application support are there. But as someone that uses Linux on my server, has tried out Linux desktops, and uses WSL, I can confidently say that I am gone if they start charging me a subscription. It will be annoying as hell but just like leaving Reddit I am willing to give up some niceties to keep my money and my morals.

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[–] Smacks@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago (15 children)

The rise of Linux is upon us

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[–] andyortlieb@lemmy.sdf.org 59 points 1 year ago (10 children)

So the year of the Linux desktop is finally happening

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[–] mojo@lemm.ee 59 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So does Linux, I subscribe to the Arch rss feed, which is the operating system I use btw.

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[–] art@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"We'll shut down your computer after this quick message from our sponsor!"

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[–] WhataburgerSr@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago (4 children)

With this subscription, the year of the Linux desktop will finally be here.

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[–] archonet@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I knew sooner or later they'd push me to Linux, but that'd do it alright

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[–] IamLost@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago (26 children)

I know there's always someone evangelizing Linux when you mention Windows anything, but when Microsoft requires a subscription for Windows is the day I will actually move to Linux.

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[–] Zithero@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I can confirm if Windows ever required a subscription I'd be swapping to Linux so fast. So Fast.

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[–] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (7 children)

This might finally provide the momentum to switch to Linux.

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[–] arefx@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would switch to Linux.... Gaming has gotten much better on it thanks to proton.

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[–] neptune@lemmy.sdf.org 36 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Good thing I've been learning to use linux for the past couple of years, if they double down on this I'll switch permanently, just got to find a distro I like because I haven't been able to find anything that just "works" without eventually having to open the terminal for one reason or another.

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[–] kadu@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Would fit in with the fact that Microsoft has just patched the remote activation exploit that was used for years.

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[–] gr522x@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 year ago

Sometimes moneygrubbing shareholders do us a favor by steering companies into implementing terrible policies. If Reddit wouldn't have been so greedy with it's treatment of third-party app developers most of use wouldn't be on Lemmy right now. If Microsoft forces Windows users to pay a subscription I think it sends more people away from closed-source garbage and into the arms of the open source community. I've enjoyed watching Reddit implode, hopefully I get to watch a similar show from our friends at Microsoft.

[–] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I actually rather like win 10. Win 11 I'm holding off on until they fix the taskbar.

If they go subscription, I go Ubuntu.

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[–] AccSwtch50@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I will happily just not use it. My desktop usage is already 99% Linux, and it has been for considerable amount of time too. The only thing holding me back is my Destiny 2 guild. The moment that is allowed through Proton, I will be removing the partition completely

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Linux. Again. Install Linux

Ubuntu Linux Debian Linux Fedora Linux Pop!os linux Arch Linux for all i care

Install Linux, stop accepting this bullshit from Microsoft. ALL of their software sucks, they care more about marketing and pulling money out of your pocket than actually giving quality software.

Open source software blows everything Microsoft out of the water, stop accepting the bullshit

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[–] halfempty@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm already using Linux alot, and Windows 10 sometimes. I would drop Windows entirely if it were subscription model.

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[–] jasondj@ttrpg.network 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Maybe this isn’t for personal editions.

I’d suspect Microsoft would prefer to move personal editions to being mostly perpetual and OEM licenses, while a subscription service for business/enterprise makes more sense. Windows licensing for business is a nightmare and a per-install subscription model could be much simpler to manage while still offering good breaks under Enterprise Agreements and putting license and support under one annual sku.

ETA: Also, worth remembering that “Windows 365” is a thing and it’s very useful for DaaS. Term-based licensing makes tons of sense for DaaS/Cloud Desktop/VDI environments.

And actually, that could make a lot of sense in a future home/personal market with purpose built thin clients. Or perhaps even a set top box. Maybe, even, the Series S. A small monthly/annual fee to to make your Series S into a full-fledged desktop PC, sounds like a hell of a deal to me.

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[–] Rengoku@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not even confirmed but people here are already losing their mind.

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[–] IronpigsWizard@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I have ran GNU/Linux since the early 1990s. Practically since it first existed. Distributions like MuLinux, Yellowdog Linux, Slackware, Debian, etc. This generally has lead to multiple difficulties. Sometimes I had to dual boot to get around said difficulties. Around 2010, I got good enough with WINE, software work arounds and alternatives that I didn't need to dual boot anymore. I did like to play various games still back then, but around 2010 Valve's GNU/Linux support was improving (unless my memory deceives me)

This post has made me feel that for the first time, all that struggle was worth it, heh.

On a side note, there's some sort of dark irony with personal ownership dying under capitalism. I feel like the majority of us hate all these subscriptions models, but we keep playing along .vs. becoming cave hermits.

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[–] popemichael@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

After seeing what the Steam Deck does with Windows emulation for games, my interset in having a windows gaming computer is barely hanging on.

This would 100% influence my next gaming computer to shy away from Windows 12

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[–] ObsidianZed@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Looks like the push I'll need to finally move all my gaming over to a Linux box.

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