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[–] alatheus@lemmy.perthchat.org 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why would anyone announce that they are attacking? It makes no sense. This sounds more like a propaganda piece to boost morale after the defeats at Mariupol and Donbas.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That's definitely propaganda piece to boost morale and show their weapon dealers from EU and USA they are doing something so send more guns pls, but announcing offensives are actually pretty common through industrialized warfare history. It's usually announced a day or few after it starts, and without details, because enemies can usually notice they are being attacked even without press announcement.

[–] Awoo@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

It takes 3:1 manpower to perform land war offensives. They literally do not have the manpower.

They do have enough to hold their existing positions but they would literally just grind their human resources into dust by mounting anything other than a fake right now.

Noise about this is likely propaganda and also attempt at diversion as they're losing miles of ground in the east every day. Getting some Russian resources shifted around could give them time to entrench new eastern positions.

Edit: Missed a word.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago

Also worth noting that this is flat steppes which provide no cover from artillery.

[–] thervingi@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I think Ukraine has plenty of manpower. They mobilized their entire population and have around 700,000 fighters.

What Ukraine doesn't have is air and artillery support. There is no way an offensive will succeed if you are attacking someone with superiour firepower. Guys with rifles & javelins can defend cities against Russians, but this won't help them retake cities.

[–] Awoo@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Having 700k ""fighters"" (actually just people conscripted and given a gun) in the country does not mean having the manpower on the southern front. The two fronts are 400km away from each other and Ukraine has had no fuel to move troops with for 2-3 months. Russia began targeting fuel supplies as soon as they withdrew from the Kyiv front to prevent manpower being shifted from the northern front to the eastern front, Russia redeployed faster because of this and cracked the entrenchments that Ukraine had built up in the 8 years fighting LPR/DPR. Their line has been consistently losing ground in the east ever since then because their superiors do not allow them a proper retreat to a newly created entrenchment line (likely because they don't have the manpower off the front to entrench a new line).

They have at best a couple thousand men down there with a short amount of supplies. Not enough for any offensive to last more than 10 days or so without considerably weakening other fronts and as I said before the cost of doing this in fuel is enormous. Russia have none of these problems, they have easy land access and the ability to drop pontoon bridges. In the worst scenario they fly the needed supplies out, it's very simple for them.

The fact the nato strategists leading Ukraine's war effort have made this offensive shows an act of desperation and a weird cope going on around the subject of thermal optics. They seem to think that these optics would be decisive but multiple waves have now completely failed to approach Kherson. The result of these offensives is that they're decreasing defensive manpower down there. Situation is real bad for Ukraine. Worth noting that Russia don't have enough for offensives down there either, neither do.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago

Was waiting for a better source than pravda before posting this. The viability of Reuters as a legitimate source has been discussed several times, and with the exception of blogs and press releases (which is the same for any other outlet), they've got a good track record on not lying (which seems to be a hard bar to clear these days).

[–] Jonathan12345@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

lol, libs gonna be going "Bro ukraine totally winnin'

[–] basiliscos@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

According to Russian sources, Russianse able to neuralize about 1.2k Ukrain warriors on the 1st day of the offensive. If even half of that is true, that was pure Zerg-Rush attack, ended without any success.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago

What's worse is that it sounds like they had to pull troops off the main front in Donbas meaning that it will likely collapse faster as well. Once Donbas battle is over then it will free up large numbers of Russian troops to go south towards Nikolaev and Odessa.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Supermuff@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Breaking news: government does not want civilians to leak it's military positions