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[–] oleorun@real.lemmy.fan 304 points 1 year ago (16 children)

I have zero desire to own an Internet-connected car wherein I can't "own" it without abiding by the rules set forth by the auto manufacturer. BMW recently killed their subscription seat heaters but who knows what Egon Smells is cooking up at Tesla.

[–] watson387@sopuli.xyz 117 points 1 year ago (7 children)

In my defense, my 13 year old car died earlier this year and I needed a new car fast. I was completely unaware these systems had gotten as bad as they have until after I bought it.

[–] oleorun@real.lemmy.fan 102 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I figured we're not going to have much choice in the future. We'll be driving cars under End User License Agreements that already send tons and tons of data about us back to the manufacturers.

[–] watson387@sopuli.xyz 99 points 1 year ago (3 children)

As much as I love technology, I hate the way it is being used. Car companies don’t make enough money selling cars so they need to collect and sell driver data? It’s dystopian.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 73 points 1 year ago

They make plenty of money, they just want more money

[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Capitalism requires obtaining more capital than ever every quarter or you’ve failed as a company. They’re getting to the point they have to violate the customers privacy in order to chaise ever growing profits

[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Capitalism only works in a growing company in a growing market. Once you’re reached a plateau it maxes out your client base you can’t go any higher other than artificially.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Don't you love it when it makes you read a disclaimer and click "accept" literally every time you get into the car if you want to use your infotainment center? Who's the asshole who came up with that brilliant idea? Whoever he is, fuck him!

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[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

who knows what Egon Smells is cooking up

Subscription for brakes is on the table

[–] thejml@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I once had a car salesman try to talk me out of ABS because the one on the lot didn’t have it. He literally told me “ABS? You only need that in an emergency!”

I replied with “I only need headlights at night and seatbelts in an accident but I want those, too.”

I can totally see them charging extra monthly charges or even a charge every time you activate the ABS.

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[–] StandingCat@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Egon Smells

I dislike the guy as much as everyone else but i really wish this stupidist name bullshit would die.

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[–] Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi 148 points 1 year ago (17 children)

While I like driving. I hate all the shit modern car manufacturers put in modern cars. Sure they're more efficient on fuel than older ones. But we should be able to have that without needing the car to be tracked and data collected, we have in the past.

I feel like all these driver aids are also making people worse at driving. They need to do less, so they pay attention less.

On top of that, can we ban touchscreens in cars? Physical buttons give physical feed back, you can feel for the button you want and press it without taking your eyes off the road. A touchscreen gives you none of that, and means you have to look away. It's somewhat mitigated when they put buttons on the steering wheel, but not all buttons can fit in that spot.

Sure some cars have google assistant, Siri or Alexa. But I actually get so frustrated when trying to tell my phone to navigate somewhere or just simply change the song. And that's just the phone! The amount of times I have to pull over because it glitches out, or just fails to interpret some or all of what I've just said (sure it's better than voice assistants used to be, but it still breaks regularly) is still too high. The amount of times I regularly tell it to do something, only to find it was still processing the activation voice command, and therefore was initialising the VA screen, and not listening to a word I said after the initial activation is infuriating.

I love technology, but the technology has no place in cars if it detracts or distracts from the act and safety of actually driving the car.

/Rant.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

On top of that, can we ban touchscreens in cars? Physical buttons give physical feed back, you can feel for the button you want and press it without taking your eyes off the road. A touchscreen gives you none of that, and means you have to look away. It’s somewhat mitigated when they put buttons on the steering wheel, but not all buttons can fit in that spot.

That's, a damn good point.

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[–] Mr_Buscemi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 133 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Sometimes the updates aren't even worth it.

Toyota said my prius needed an update so I installed the app for it. All the update did was remove fucking features that were usable in the car. Used to have the option to use Pandora from the console but it got removed randomly by an update.

Then they installed an Alexa search page that glitches my console if I every select it.

Basically I'm saying FUCK TOYOTA

[–] 50MYT@aussie.zone 60 points 1 year ago

For bonus anger.

Amazon pays Toyota about $1 per vehicle that Alexa is installed on.

So you made Toyota an extra dollar for your pain.

[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

My 2015 Subaru Impreza has a shitty entertainment system. At least it still connects via BT, but they removed the screen mirroring really early on and the app had ~1 star on Google Play for a long time (probably still does). Thankfully it's not integrated with the features of the car in any meaningful way. I could swap it for any other head unit. No sure how that will work with modern cars where the AC, lane departure, and everything else goes to the stereo.

The real issue, as you point out, is there is nothing to force them to continue supporting it or maintain its features once us poor suckers have bought it.

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 107 points 1 year ago (18 children)

I really REALLY hope someone at some point starts a gasoline to electric car conversion company at some point.

I love my car because it has just the right amount of technology: Bluetooth connectivity for calls and music. That's it. That's all I need.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 54 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Yup. Unfortunately, since most people seem to prefer the dystopian futuretech, all auto manufacturers are going to employ it. Just like with cell phones. The last phone I know of with 16:9 aspect ratio and no blighted hole punch or notch was in 2018. There's a market full of us luddites who prefer the old ways, but we're invisible to manufacturers because it's more profitable to make something that more people want to buy, and we're forced to buy that garbage as well anyway.

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[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 90 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can't download a car, but you sure can brick it.

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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 86 points 1 year ago (15 children)
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[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 73 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"Please do not turn off the engine during installation"

Tell that to my empty gas tank.

[–] SmashingSquid@notyour.rodeo 29 points 1 year ago (9 children)

That’s the most ridiculous part to me. Why isn’t this able to continue off the car battery? It should be do not disconnect car battery if anything. I hope there’s some sort of fail safe to prevent it from bricking that doesn’t involve a factory reset or dealer visit.

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 72 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I LOVE HAVING CAR DEPENDENCY. I LOVE PAYING FOR LESS EFFICIENT TRANSPORT AND ALL OF MY OWN MAINTENANCE AND FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF HAVING MY DATA SOLD. I SPEND EVERY MOMENT NOT DRIVING WISHING I COULD BE BEHIND THE WHEEL AND DOING NOTHING ELSE BUT FOCUSING ON DRIVING WHILE ON MY WAY TO [CONSUME] AND MAKE DATA FOR [BRAND]. PLEASE, NO PUBLIC TRANSIT, I LIKE MY FREEDOM THANKS.

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[–] sigswitch@lemm.ee 68 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm kind of surprised that car technology is so awful. How the fuck am I paying $35k for a car and they're still like "lets run the UI off a potato via the least responsive touch screen possible"? At some point I'd rather they just gave up on providing a UX themselves and just ran everything through Android Auto.

[–] RogueSensei@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I don't mind having a UI for things like navigation or android auto. What gets me is why do things like climate control need to be buried in a UI? If my windscreen starts to steam up mid-jourmey, the last thing I need is to take my attention off the road to change the climate settings in the UI where dials and buttons will do the job much faster without needing to take my attention off the road.

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[–] olutukko@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I'm waiting for the day we have linux cars

[–] TimTamJimJam@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's not Linux, but there's an open source project available where you can build your own engine ECU with an Arduino https://hackaday.io/project/4413-speeduino

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[–] MashedTech@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (4 children)

They gotta get better collection systems of that sweet sweet sex you're having in your car

https://youtu.be/OYcmF9IAJbU?si=gS1v5LQQskrbpIdj

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[–] ediculous@feddit.nl 37 points 1 year ago (14 children)

I absolutely cannot stand Subaru's infotainment system. It's actually the primary reason I'll never get another one.

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[–] Novman@feddit.it 36 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Why a car have to be connected to internet?

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[–] yoz@aussie.zone 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which car manufacturer ? So that I can avoid it.

[–] Ashe@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 year ago (19 children)

This looks like a Subaru. That being said, from what I've parsed, their privacy policy looks better than most. My 2021 hasn't had any obnoxious OTA updates. The worst it does is push easily dismissed service notifications. No secret codes on how to reset a light.

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[–] DeathWearsANecktie@lemm.ee 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

People keep saying new cars are shit but nobody wants to trade me their new car for my 2004 Toyota 😄

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[–] pixelscience@lemm.ee 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Sometimes you can just tell something sucks without even using it... All you need to know comes from looking at the fonts and button designs. What car is this?

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[–] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 35 points 1 year ago

Where the FOSS cars at?

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (15 children)

I love my Subaru. But the infotainment system is awful. It's slow and unresponsive, it frequently takes a few minutes to warm up to even be usable, which means usually when you can use it you're already moving. It's absolutely impossible to do anything outside of the touch screen.

The car is great, but that computer is a piece of crap

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[–] Gabu@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

~~New~~ cars are ~~great~~ a cancer on society

There, FTFY

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[–] CrowAirbrush@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh man, i've never been able to get over the: "i really want to play a game now that i have 30 minutes to spare and some energy left" ah fuck, 60gb update...fine i'm off to bed then.

Can't imagine what i would do if a car update would come with the worst possible timing like having to take your partner to the hospital for an emergency.

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[–] sentinelthesalty@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (5 children)

And this is why the end user should be able to jaikbreak cars. Has anyone made an open source software for cars anyways?

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[–] brlemworld@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why the fuck would the engine be on?

[–] azan@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

To ensure that the update process finishes without interruption due to weak battery - if that happens it can brick your car. Tbf you can also just connect the battery to a power source and keep the engine off. Depending on update and car updates that take a few hours are not unheard of

[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 1 year ago (10 children)

This is such extremely poor engineering that it throws me into a rage. There is nothing to prevent them from installing the update in the background progressively while driving and then just switching to the new version in one swift atomic operation (like changing the name of a directory) when it's ready

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[–] HollandJim@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

This is so backwards from my ID.3. When I get an OTA update, we get a message and have to deliberately update it, but it wont start until we’re out of the car and it’s locked.

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 1 year ago (10 children)

My car is the same. I want to install a map update in my Ford, but it's 22GB and according to the manual it'll take 1-2 hours.

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[–] not_woody_shaw@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Those shiny reflective screens are terrible.

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[–] Smacks@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I 100% refuse to buy a car unless there's a jailbrake option. I don't want to get an update while I'm trying to get to work

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