Littlejohn is charged with one count of unauthorized disclosure of tax returns and return information and faces up to five years in prison if convicted.
He should have violently stormed Congress instead. You only get like 3 months for that.
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littlejohn is what a patriot looks like because what he did is what patriots are supposed to do in the face of fascism
Yep. Hope he holds his head high during trial.
He’s probably going to need a gofundme.
He’d be swimming in dough
Well ...
In addition to the former president’s tax documents, Littlejohn is also accused of stealing IRS information on “thousands of the nation’s wealthiest people, including returns and return information dating back more than 15 years.” Littlejohn then sent that tax information to a second unnamed news organization.
If it was only Trump's tax returns, then I might agree with you. It wasn't targeted specifically and only at Trump; it was an extremely wide net that was cast, and we don't know who the rest of the people are. Based on the information publicly available, this appears more like an attempt to sell the information, or act illegally based on some fringe principle.
read that too... ok maybe, but my sympathy for the 1% is a bit diminished atm.
I get it, that's fair. But justice means protecting the rights of people you don't like, or of people who are exercising their rights in ways you don't like.
Does that run counter to my saying I might agree if it was only Trump's tax returns? Maybe it does a little bit. I feel comfortable leaning on that Trump was openly fraudulent, corrupt, and criminal by the time Littlejohn swiped the records.
But it definitely runs counter to being okay with someone making off with tax returns of people only described as "thousands of the nation's wealthiest people," with no other context. I have far fewer mitigating factors (really only one, wealth) to lean on there, even if I have my suspicions about the integrity of "thousands of the nation's wealthiest people.
It's a very fuzzy area, and I think that reasonable people can make sound arguments either way. I suppose what I can do is be pleased with the results of Littlejohn's actions, and believe that his being criminally charged for them, and think that his motivations were probably unrelated to patriotism.
Shit's complicated, yo.
A person can do something wrong but you can still appreciate that someone did it. Like that guy who shot the YouTube harasser or people who punch Nazis. I don’t want to live in a nation where that kind of lawlessness is commonplace or accepted, but I’d buy those folks a beer after they are released. And if I were interviewing to hire someone who had a criminal record but it was for punching Nazis I think that would be neutral at worst.
Sounds like was planning on exposing tax crimes by wealthy people. If he was trying to sell it etc he wouldn’t be sending it to a news organization, right?
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Justice means the wealth would be more equitably distributed, imo, and nothing indicates the data was sold.
Also, people really need to skip the NYT. Propublica got it right.
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Who cares what rich people think. We are constantly bombarded by propaganda meant to divide the pleebs and keep them from realizing the ruling class is robing us blind.
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Tax returns in US should be public to anyone and everyone, like they are in many countries.
Are they? Where? It seems odd to me that a government would disclose how much everybody makes.
Here in Finland it is public. Reality is that nobody actually cares how much normal people make.
If you want to know how much your CEO or boss pockets money, why is it a bad thing. It is good for income equality.
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He should've posted them all online. As a cpa with a bit of rare downtime on my hands I'd love to volunteer to review returns for the irs. I know all the errors and omissions, tricks and and gimmicks, goofs, fuckups, whoopsies, you name it. 20% commission for the recovered taxes seems fair compensation.
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The reporting by ProPublica based on those records is definitely in the public interest, though.
Everyone's tax returns should be public, IMHO.
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Dude was arrested for showing everyone what trump was obligated to show, but illegally hid from everyone.
This is America.
Not to defend Trump in the slightest, but it was my understanding that the President isn't actually required to release his taxes; it's just a tradition that literally every other presidential candidate has conformed to. You know, to show that they're trustworthy, which is why Trump never released his.
Yep, Trump showed how much of the government actually runs on norms and traditions instead of actual laws. Even some of the laws that he did break (like the Presidential Records Act) don't actually specify penalties because Congress assumed it wasn't necessary.
The funny thing is, his tax returns were fairly unremarkable. I'm a cpa and my background is largely with high and ultra high net worth individuals and their businesses, so people like trump are my bread and butter. I reviewed his returns when they first leaked and honestly nothing jumped out at me as particularly noteworthy or interesting at all. All I can speculate is that he's just a stubborn asshole and simply didn't want to release them.
I always thought the big "issue" people were expecting wasnt that the tax returns were going to show anything illegal or noteworthy, but rather they would instead just show that he is worth way less than he goes around claiming.
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He did also promise he would do it but then refused to follow through
And his plan for healthcare reform is going to be released ~~next month too~~ any time now.
If you're running for President, you either disclose your tax returns or you don't run. The tradition is there for a reason. I fully support jury nullification for this Littlejohn guy.
Not a legal requirement, just the "right thing to do"
Yeah. How the hell can that not be a legal requirement for a position like "president"?
It should be a requirement for any public office
It should be, but nobody has ever refused before I believe.
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If storming the capital gets your 3 months, then exposing Trump's fraud should get you... A medal of honor?
Yeah, but this is America. Where democrats run the show, but conservatives do whatever they want with impunity.
Damn poor guy. I'll put 20 bucks on his books for Ramen. Dudes a true patriot.
The rich deserve to be exposed for the countless crimes they've committed over the decades with tax dodging. Good on this man. It speaks volumes of how shitty our country is though when January 6th insurrectionists get less time than this guy might though.
Maybe he and Trump can be cellmates!
The hero we needed. Good job sir.
Why are tax returns not public property? In Sweden you can look up anyone's tax info.
A man named Littlejohn, so sly,
Stole Trump's taxes as they caught his eye,
For his audacious feat,
A national hero's seat,
Damnthefilibuster says, let him fly!
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
Federal prosecutors announced charges Friday against a contractor with the Internal Revenue Service who allegedly stole the tax returns of a high-ranking government official.
A source familiar with the matter told CNN that official is former President Donald Trump.
The man, 38-year-old Charles Edward Littlejohn, worked with the IRS from 2018 to 2020, according to court documents.
Though the official is not named in court documents, a source familiar with the investigation told CNN the tax returns in question were Trump’s.
“Both news organizations published numerous articles describing the tax information they obtained from the Defendant,” court documents said.
The New York Times and ProPublica both published articles based on tax records of the former president and other wealthy Americans around the same timeframe – in 2020 and 2021, respectively.
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I love how it's about someone leaking documents and the very next thing is someone leaking to CNN that this case is about Donald Trump.
There's a certain meta humour to this that's kind of impressive.
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