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My cat has been shitting infront of the litterbox for a while now but the strange thing is, its always on the same place, and she still does shit in the letterbox, but also outside.

Many days i wake up and stand in shit and its been so annoying

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[–] Spuddaccino@reddthat.com 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Make sure your litter box is clean, and that your cat thinks it's clean. Cats want to be able to bury their waste, and if there's too much in the box for the cat's liking, they'll go somewhere else, and it's often right outside the box if there isn't something else they could use. It's important to understand that it's the cat's opinion that matters here, not yours: you may need to scoop it every day, even if there's only a little in it.

You may also need to move the litter box and clean the previous area, including and most importantly the place outside the litter box that gets used. Use vinegar if you can: it has a strong smell that cats don't like, but it won't hurt them like bleach can. Lemon juice works well for this, also. What this will do is make sure that this area doesn't smell like a place they have used as a litter box before.

[–] fubo@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Use vinegar if you can: it has a strong smell that cats don’t like, but it won’t hurt them like bleach can. Lemon juice works well for this, also.

Might try peroxide. It has no smell, as it breaks down rapidly into water and oxygen gas. It oxidizes waste compounds and destroys bacterial cells. It's the main active ingredient in commercial pet urine stain removers.

[–] Nemo@midwest.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

hydrogen peroxide, right?

just checking

[–] fubo@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, benzoyl peroxide acne cream isn't gonna help you very much here.

[–] Nemo@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago

bruh I don't know your life

[–] Iraglassceiling@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is generally good advice but I’d use https://us.feliway.com/products/feliway-classic-spray-60ml?variant=33417856155783 (If it’s available in your region) to spray on the spots instead of vinegar. Cats don’t typically eliminate where they’ve scent marked, and the spray is full of marking pheromones from their feet.

So does that mean peroxide to remove the waste scents and then later this to discourage the associations?

We have an 'ongoing' problem and having some fresh ideas is great!

[–] Liforra@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Ill possibly try that, thank you

[–] marshadow@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When cats shit outside the box, they’re trying to communicate something. Unfortunately they don’t speak English and sometimes resort to speaking Catshittese.

Are there enough boxes? You should have n+1 litter boxes, where n is the number of cats in the home. Also they should be scooped two or three times a day (before work, after work, and bedtime is a good routine). The litter should be about 3”/8cm deep: they need enough to bury their piss and shit, but too deep feels unsteady beneath their feet.

Is she a really big cat? She might want a bigger box. I once had a big fuckoff tabby who needed jumbo boxes with extra-high sides.

Maybe she’s having digestive pains. Does her shit look normal? If not, put the misplaced turd in a zipper baggy and have your vet check it out.

It could also be an emotional issue, like loneliness or anxiety or dominance, but make sure the litter boxes and digestive health are all in order before deciding that’s what’s up.

[–] Liforra@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately we can't have more litterboxes currently, we rn have one for that one cat, but when we have a bigger flat it might be possible

Her shit is normal

[–] marshadow@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Totally understandable. When I lived in a small place, I only had room for one box, so I got the biggest thing that would fit and scooped as often as possible.

That reminds me, some cats are picky about litter too, just like some humans will only wipe their ass with certain brands of toilet paper. So it’s good to find a brand they like and stick with it, but I know how hard it is to experiment when there’s only room for one box.

[–] Liforra@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We know that she doesnt like every litter, but this litter has been working for probably like 14-16 years, i dont think that changed. But thanks for the suggestion :)

[–] Pandemanium@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

14-16 years

Is that how old the cat is? If so, it's probably arthritis. Mine is about that age and has problems squatting. It could be that she has trouble getting in and out of the box, or she's inside but standing too close to the edge and not squatting enough. You could try a supplement or ask your vet. Mine offers monthly injections for arthritis.

[–] Liforra@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, 16, the thing with the too close to the edge is 100% impossible, its not JUST outside the box, its like a tiny bit further away, enough that it can't work, but ill try some suggestions regarding her mavye not being able to go over it

[–] Aevironis@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cats are quirky and can have many reasons to do that. If she is an older cat she may have arthritis and the walls of the box could be high for her to easily get over. Some cats hate covered litter boxes. If you changed litter brands recently she may not like the texture or smell. The box could be too small; I bought a large metal litterbox for mine before they quit peeing over the sides on the wall.

Emotional issues can cause outside box use too: new pet, roommate, someone moved out. All can have an effect.

Feliway has a pheromone spray or diffuser you can use that is supposed to help with issues like urinating outside the box which may help with the poop problem. Another brand called Comfort Zone has a "spray and scratch" that's slightly cheaper.

If the vinegar or peroxide that others recommended to clean the potty spot don't seem to do the trick, then you can buy an enzyme cleaner like Nonscents "stain and odor eliminator" to see if that will work.

[–] Liforra@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks for the suggestions, i will definetly try the vinegar like the others have reccommended, but if that doesnt work ill try that :)

[–] snap@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have you seen the cat take a shit outside the box? How close is the shit to the box? My cat sometimes craps outside the box but it is just due to him not walking far enough into the box before squatting, so his ass is sticking out. The poop ends up just outside the door or smeared on the lip.

[–] Liforra@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

its too far away for that, it seems intentional

[–] mke_geek@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is your cat declawed? Sometimes cats that are declawed might not want to use the litter box. It's one of the problems with declawing.

Declawing cats is a horrible practice and should never be done.

[–] Asudox@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I am surprised many countries didn't make it illegal yet.

[–] Liforra@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Of course not, there was never even a need to do that because shes really really really well behaved, she only claws when youre a stranger (outside, but shes not and outside cat anymore) So no, but i agree, declawing cats sounds horrible

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have you tried a larger litter box? Are you cleaning the box regularly?

[–] Liforra@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

1st, no but 2nd Yes every day usually

I'd also advise a larger litter box. I used to have this problem with my giant tom cat (he weighed 17lbs not obese!), but never with my little Siamese. Got a larger box that the big guy was more comfortable using and never had the problem again

[–] Zippy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Typically I would show dominance by taking my own shit in front of the box.

How bad does her shit smell? My cat has Inflammatory Bowl Disease. When she has a flare up, her shit smells absolutely horrific, she strains a lot, and poop often ends up outside the litterbox.

The other suggestions in this thread are great. I'd add take her to the vet and explain the situation. Also see if they can express her anal glands. My cat also had massively clogged anal glands which didn't help anything.

Good luck.

[–] ji88aja88a@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I have 2 kitties and this happened all the time. I had to introduce a third litter box for it to stop happening. And as others have said, clean them out every day. #poofreefloor

[–] BulkyBag@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

What kind of car does the cat drive? Maybe its time for a new clutch?

[–] Emberlynx@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We had this problem recently; we took her to the vet because we thought it was a medical issue, but they found nothing wrong with her. Instead, they said it seemed like she was depressed and anxious, so they gave her a prescription for a teeny tiny cat-sized dose of Prozac every night, and it totally cleared the issue up. Turns out she was just really upset a lot and didn't know how else to communicate it to us.

[–] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's also possible she doesn't realize she's missing the box... we had an older cat that started doing this... she would get all her feet in the box, squat and shit on the floor right next to the box, then try to bury it. Got her a bigger box with slightly higher sides (still low enough she could easily access), and it fixed the issue

Yup, it's not their fault they have stormtrooper aim - they literally can't see what they're doing

[–] Liforra@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Nope, too far from the box and someone already saw her doing it outside

[–] MadEarl@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Our 16 year old cat with worn out hip joints started doing the same a while ago. A much bigger litterbox solved the problem.

[–] Liforra@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

the cat is about the same age so i might consider that

[–] room_raccoon@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would also recommend that if you know there is going to be kitty poop in front of the litter box then you should avoid standing in it

[–] Liforra@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Kinda the worst suggestion, but to be fair you cant know that the bathroom is really small. too small to not stand in the poop when ur sleepy

[–] Researchgrant@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Already some good suggestions about making the litterbox way cleaner than your human senses would be able to appreciate. But I was just wondering if your cat is a tortoise shell? Seems to be a common behavior in those quirky girls.

[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is the cat older? My oldest cat couldn't step up into the litter box anymore so I ended up cutting the front of it so the step over was much smaller. You could also put a brick or build a wooden step which makes it easier for her to step into the box. It has to be heavy and sturdy enough to where it won't move when the cat steps on it.

Also check that the box is clean. I would dump qll the litter and hit the inside with a hose to make sure it is clean. Dey it, and then refill it with fresh litter. And make sure you scoop out all the poop out of it every day. Cats tends to be very clean animals and don't like a dirty box.

Another thing to consider is if the box is too small for them. One of our cats is rather large so we had to get a larger litter box for them.

[–] Liforra@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well it is older but they do shit in the litterbox too so they are able to step up into it

I might try doing that with the hose or something but it is scooped out every day ofc

[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They might still have mobility issues. If you don't want to cut the front of the litterbox open to make it lower and bigger, than maybe get a piece of wood or a brick or something else to act like a step to make it easier for them to get into the box.

Also, I assume the litterbox isn't just the bottom. Those are usually terrible. I am guessing that there is a top/cover to it, right? They could be pooping in the box near the edge and it just falls out if there is no cover.

(something like this: https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/product/so-phresh-geometric-covered-cat-litter-box)

[–] Liforra@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I might try doing that, thanks

No its without a cover (probably, i can't click the link, 404 error)

But its too far away to be the reason

[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

If this continues with a new litterbox with a cover, then you should consider bringing them to a vet. Cats are very clean animals so if they are pooping outside the box, it is usually for a good reason.

[–] zerbey@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Maybe try changing her litter? Sounds like she doesn't like it.

[–] Tagger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Buy a second smaller litter box and put it where she keeps shitting and then, once she is used to it, slowly move it into the normal litter box.

[–] Liforra@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately not possible unless i wanna stand in the litterbox

[–] davi@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

in addition to what others have said: this is also a classic symptom of territorial insecurity so maybe there's a stray cat spraying the outsides of the walls of your home.

[–] Liforra@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

That is also indeed the case, i didn't think those were related but a cat is being really really annoying, trying to fight with her

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You should get a Litter Robot thingy. They don't look like there's enough room to do something like that and it would theoretically clean everything up everytime so there probably wouldn't be any issue in terms of fussiness with prior mess