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I've learned about them in school, but I've never heard anyone say something is 8 decameters long or anything like that. I'm an American.

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[–] empireOfLove@lemmy.one 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They are "technically correct" measurements since they are a valid prefix, and could be used if you wanted. but they are very infrequently used in any industry. Since most of the time measurements are better served by higher precision (just using Meters) or need no precision at all over long distance (switch to kilometers), no need for excess measurement types unless necessary

[–] XbSuper@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Bro skips right past centimetres.

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[–] vettnerk@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Valid, but rarely used, as it's usually just as fast to say "two hundred meters" instead of "two hecto meters".

However, those prefixes have other (non-SI) uses. A hectare is common way of referring to a 100x100 meter area. And a decare is 10 ares, i.e. 0.1 hectare.

[–] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair, once all the boomers are gone we’re probably going to go full kPa.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No, some measurements just aren't used, even when they'd be a good fit.

Like lengths. We never use anything above km. Even for things like space, we say "million km" rather than gigametre.

The closest we come to hectometre is hectare, which is used for land area.

[–] Sethayy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

I'd say we use every 3 prefixes, nanometerw, micrometers, mm, m, km, than any much higher than that usually uses space units (parsecs, AU, lightyears, etc.)

[–] PlexSheep@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Megameters are sometimes used, that's not true.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who uses megametres? It's not something I've ever heard in the UK.

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[–] FleetingTit@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where do you live and what is your profession? I have heard anyone use megameter seriously.

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[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I can only tell you about how we do it here in the Netherlands, but very rarely.

We have highway location markers (in the form of a little pole and a sign with some markings on them) every hundred meters. Their official name is "afstandspaal" but people generally call them "hectometerpaal" because they denote the distance along a highway in hectometers.

When you hear about traffic jams, speed cameras, or car accidents on the radio, they'll usually announce highway number and hectometer pole number so drivers know where to look.

The metric tonne (1000kg) is used rather than a megagram even though megagram is more fun to say. This is for historic reasons, mostly. Having Mg (megagrams) and mg (milligrams) next to each other would probably also just confuse people.

Hectares (100x100m, or 10000m²) are used to denote area for things like farms. Centiliters and deciliters are used for very specific purposes (medical and such).

As for general distance: meters and kilometers work fine. Same with grams and kilograms. Smaller measurements like centimeters and millimeters are also common (or milliliters and liters, rarely centiliters but you do see them in some recipes).

Funnily enough, we (although I notice it mostly among older people) do use ons and pond (ounce and pound), although an ons is 100 grams and a pond is 500 grams. Just like with the tonne, we adjusted them to make dealing with SI units easier; we did the same with the mijl (mile) and other units similar to the imperial name as a transition to the normal metric system. Technically speaking, you're not allowed to sell advertise products by the ons or pond anymore (thanks, IJkwet of 1937) but if you ask anyone at market for a pound if cheese, they'll know how much to get you.

Lastly, there are a few use cases where the inch is used. Screens are measured in inches for reasons I'm not entirely sure about (probably British and American exports). This leads to some rather silly phone spec sheets, listing width/length/height in centimeters and a screen diagonal in inches. We don't even use a Dutch word for inch!

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[–] Jeraxus@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

In France "hectare" (10 000m²) is used for fields and burning forest. Beside that deca or hectometers are never used

[–] Michelsup@michelsup.org 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

An hectare is 10.000 m2

And we use hectolitres for wine production

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[–] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hectares are also standard in Australia

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[–] OptimusPhillip@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

As an American who has gotten very used to metric units in studying engineering, the general rule I picked up is that you typically only change units every three orders of magnitude. So 8 decameters would typically be expressed as 80 meters, maybe 0.08 kilometers. Decameters and hectometers are a thing, but they're not common units. Even centimeters don't see much use compared to millimeters.

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[–] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

From my experience in Norway, these are typical in context of daily speech:

Weight (gram): tonne (a substitute name for Mg (Mega)), kg, hg, g, mg, μg (mostly in medicine)

Distance (meter): mil (10 km), km, m, dm (kinda rare), cm, mm

Volume (liter): l, dl, cl, ml

In my experience, the deca-predix is very rarely used. Most of the missing prefixes are just substituted for numbers, i.e. saying "a thousand kilometers" is much more common that "a megameter". Of course, this differs depending on context, as a lot of the prefixes become more common within scientific fields where the sizes are common.

On a separate note, even the numbers can be a bit inconsistent. It has bothered me that it's often common to say "a thousand milliard" instead of "one billion" (also note that we use the long scale).

[–] affeauflases@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In Germany Hectoliter is also used to calculate beer volume in commercial settings, like planning for a bar or a festival.

[–] Nikls94@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

„Kommerziell“

[–] dufkm@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From my experience in Norway, these are typical in context of daily speech: (...) km, m, dm (kinda rare), cm, mm

Don't forget the Scandinavian mile! You and the Swedes use it all the time.

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[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

It depends on the situation, sometimes they are really handy but most of the time we stick to kilo, centi and mili.

Where i live, Hecto (100x) is used, for example to measure distances and areas for big properties. 1 hectometro equalls 100 m, or 1 hectarea (hm^2) equals 10000 m^2.

Also, it is widely use for pressure, cause 1 atm is 1013 hPa

Decameters are used but for special situations, like quantifying natural gas consumption

[–] maxwisecracks@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

in school in austria we teach dezimeter (tenth of a meter)

[–] Jedi@bolha.forum 5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

decimeter is a good measure because one cubic decimeter (1 dm³) equals one liter ( 1L )

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[–] bookmeat@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Yes, they are used, but typically in specialized applications which is why you don't see them every day.

[–] Nerd02@lemmy.basedcount.com 8 points 1 year ago

In Italy we use hectograms ("ettogrammi", "etti" for short) in day to day life when buying groceries. You don't ask for 200 grams of ham, you just ask for 2 etti.

[–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In Romania we use them for measuring areas. An "ar" is 100m^2 or a square decameter, and a hectare is a 10000m^2 or a square hectometer.

[–] lugal@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

In Germany we only use hectare. Ar is something you learn in school and never use.

[–] Jajcus@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In Poland: decimeters are sometimes used (I have been ordering cut sheet metal priced by square decimeters) , I have not seen decameters in use. Hectopascales are often used in weather reports. Decagrams are often used when buying food where these amounts make most sense (meat, candy).

The 'more exotic' prefixes are usually only used with some specific SI units and in very specific contexts.

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[–] baatliwala@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I think hectare, decibel are few of them?

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

In metric units, we primarily use the x1000 or x1/1000 steps, with a few notable exceptions. We use the centimeter (1cm = 1/100m) quite commonly, the centiliter (1cl = 1/100l) is also relatively common with drinks, and, IIRC, the Austrians use the deka, short for decagram (1dg = 10g).

[–] mrmule@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Sweden uses decimeters and deciliters

[–] H4mi@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And hectograms. We just shorten it to ”hekto” though. It’s how we buy stuff from the deli. ”2 hekto salami please”.

[–] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The silly Austrians would ask for "20 Deka Salami, bitte." It's weird.

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[–] FleetingTit@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We use litres, which is one decimetre cubed. We use hectares, which is one hectometre squared. But the beauty of it is, that you can just convert everything to units that are more widely understood.

  • 1 decimetre = 10 centimetres = .1 metres

  • 1 hectometre = 100 metres = .1 kilometre

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[–] jrubal1462@mander.xyz 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In America, I've seen nurses and diabetics use deciliters in reference to medication or concentration before.

[–] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Deci is 0.1 and that gets used frequently, deka is 10 and never gets used at all, except in Austria when grocery shopping at the deli counter. 🤷

Hekto is 100 and similarly never gets used, not even by Austrians.

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[–] yata@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Deciliters are not infrequently used in recipes here as well. I've never seen decameters or hectometers used by anyone.

[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 7 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I'm American, but follow mostly Europeans and Canadians online and use metrics in my own head just because it makes more sense.

I gather that the deca-/deka- and hecto- (along with a few other) prefixes are similar to imperial furlongs, leagues, stones, barrels, kegs, and hogsheads: They exist, but no one uses them outside of very specialized circumstances.

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[–] satai@iusearchlinux.fyi 6 points 1 year ago

Czech republic here: decagram used to weight ham, bacon 🥓 or salami. Usually as "deka" without the gram.

[–] SHITPOSTING_ACCOUNT@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago

These two specifically - I don't think I've ever seen them.

Hectoliters are sometimes used e.g. for measuring beer consumption for an event, decimeters in some informal contexts, some country commonly describe drink sizes in centiliters or deciliters.

Centimeters are common, I'd say more common than millimeters in informal context.

[–] CalamityBalls@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Decilitres/centilitres are relatively common, but they're the only ones that come to mind.

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

Saying something is 80 meters long is far easier to process than eight decameters.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've seen some obscure uses in technical areas, but in general use no they aren't used. Metric is better skipping all those and using the thousands prefixes. cm is used but mm is much better. Europe uses cl but we in Canada don't, we use ml.

[–] GoosLife@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Europe uses cl, ml and dl. A can of coca Cola is 33 ml, a shot is 2 cl. Then you switch to litres at 0.5l.

We also use decilitre, but only in cooking, and I think most don't think of it as 0.1 l, but rather just think of it as the size of a measuring cup, i.e. it has more in common with "1 cup of sugar" than with "0.5 liter of water" in terms of how you think about it. More abstract, if that makes sense.

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