Ya know, maybe the US did it. But, (and I know this is a hot take) maybe China is lying. I know that’s crazy, because China is a bastion of truth. I know that China is known the world over for being fair and balanced. Not since George Washington and the cherry tree has there been such an honest institution as the CCP. But I also feel that they could be lying. I mean who knows.
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Also, yeah? Who cares? Let's talk about the countless times Chinese agents have been caught infiltrating US systems. If we're accepting that this is just a part of spycraft in the Internet era then you don't get to bitch and whine when you catch someone else doing it
Everyone's been bitching and whining about catching others spies, though?
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America accuses China of cyberattacks all the time. Yet I don't see many Americans questioning government narrative there.
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Anyone surprised by this is kidding themselves. Only a few countries have developed sophisticated cyberattack capabilities and even fewer are actually interested in China.
Plus, ever since China went around and started executing CIA operatives in China, the US has been operating rather blind with regards to China.
A few? China, the US, Russia, North Korea, Israel, the UK, Iran...
Russia, North Korea, Iran have no reason to launch cyberattacks on China. Neither does Israel, really (their capability is far more oriented towards, y'know, their immediate vicinity). We're left with the US and UK, but as we all know, the UK doesn't really have international power anymore and as a result has little reason to provoke China.
the UK doesn't really have international power anymore and as a result has little reason to provoke China.
The UK does little else geopolitically right now other than provoke China.
Good. We need more of it since the CCP has made a habit of targeting US infrastructure and civilian targets.
Ah yes, because escalation has worked so well in the past.
And what do you propose a sovereign nation who's citizens, business, and assets are constantly under attack from state sponsored actors do? Bend over?
This isn't escalation. It's minimal tit-for-tat.
Constantly under attack? Remember that even back when the KMT was in power, Chiang Kai-Shek was (rightfully) suspicious that the CIA was plotting a coup to overthrow him.
Moreover, when the CCP was rising with Mao Zedong, the CIA used something like $100 million USD at the time to try to create a third group in China that could combat the other two (the KMT and CCP) with the explicit goal of undermining Mao's power.
China's existing actions don't even come close to tit-for-tat and America's continued subversive actions show that nothing has changed whatsoever. The US still thinks it can fuck around in the domestic affairs of other countries and leave unscathed without retribution.
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China crying when the US does the same thing in return. Why does the CCP act so childish ?
No really why ? They are actively using exported digital and electronics goods to spy on everyone. They try to catch political dissidents outside their borders, spy on several government infrastructures and try to instigate a new form of colonialism in Africa, so what exactly are they crying about ?
I really despise these hypocrites.
This is a bizarre reply. What would be the adult response for China after discovering cyber attacks carried out by the US government?
Their whole political identity is being against the US. Other than that, a more "adult" response would be to not immediately accuse the US of everything bad that happened. Another problem with the CCP is that they refuse to say the truth when it isn't convenient to them, they are not transparent at all on their investigations and sources.
From what I read, it seems like they took over a year to investigate the cyber attack before making their conclusions public.
Also I thought the party line was communism, not anti-Americanism.
To be honest, this here doesn't seem that out-of-place in terms of how a sovereign nation would respond to a cyber attack by another sovereign nation.
lol
Their whole political identity is being against (country)
ONLY CHINESE BOTS DO THAT, NOT LIKE ME, THE MAIN CHARACTER 
Other than that, a more "adult"
I AM THE ADULT IN THE ROOM, JUST LIKE THE ADULTS IN THE ROOM RATIONALIZING WAR CRIMES IN MY TV SHOWS
Their whole political identity is being against the US
kettle
they are not transparent at all on their investigations and sources.
God, I just hate when they are completely opaque in their accusations. Good thing they fired Ned Price.
They are actively using exported digital and electronics goods to spy on everyone.
https://www.cnet.com/news/privacy/nsa-reportedly-installing-spyware-on-us-made-hardware/
They try to catch political dissidents outside their borders,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange
spy on several government infrastructures
and try to instigate a new form of colonialism in Africa, so what exactly are they crying about ?
I really despise these hypocrites.
I’ll save you the trouble and put “Whatsboutism” here so you don’t even have to reply.
It's projection. It's clear and obvious projection.
a new form of colonialism in Africa
Aka not colonialism.
colonialism is when you build bridges and train stations 
non-colonialism is when you have 50+ military bases scattered across a foreign continent and keep all their cash in your banks and don't allow them to even withdraw it and you assassinate the last 10 democratically elected leaders who tried to change this arrangement 
But you see, bridges and train stations are clearly racist because they're built by Chinese people on time and on budget.
This, except its the other way around. The amount of American crying about cyberattacks is crazy given the amount of evidence they have provided.
Chinese foreign policy has rarely deviated from moderate, trade-oriented and relatively apolitical over the past few decades. I think the massive allocation of US taxpayer funds toward negative coverage of China has swayed your opinion to the most hawkish extreme. None of these accusations really exist outside of the anglosphere and HK/Taiwan based Sinophone disinfo networks, however most of them are widely acknowledged as crimes that the US has committed in the very recent past in some capacity.
this dude over here really had his "chinabad" switch turned on in 2018 and doesn't even realize it or remember what it was like in the before-fore times
Taiwanese media wasn't even that dedicated to Chinese disinformation up until like 2016 or whatever.
Relations were normalizing across the strait smh.
How about we publish instances of such crimes by all governments and hold all of them accountable?
China does not take an interest in spying on the average westerner.
Well, it's just common sense to treat others the same way you expect them to treat you. In a ~~perfect~~ more pleasant world neither the west or china would feel the need to spy on each other, but we are where we are.
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It’s for the cameras and their own citizens.
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Cry more, Xi
Number 1: that's terror
Number 2: that's terror
I mean doesn't this just mean at most, that the software used was developed by NSA? It's not like we haven't had our own shortage of government hacks in the last few years, it's not an insane notion to think somebody could use our tools to make it look like us.
US stealing tech from China, how the turn tables.
Yeah, also the TikTok clones on YouTube and Instagram, and Musk's plan to make Twitter/X a WeChat clone. The Americans have been stealing tech from China for a long time now.
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