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I don’t play DOTA2 but that’s some seriously great live service management. Smurfing in Overwatch2 drove me nuts (I’ve even given up playing the game). Constant leavers, toxic behavior, and no repercussions.
Tracking smurf accounts back to their main (likely by reviewing IPs as one account logs out and another logs in) is a powerful way to stamp out this behavior and deter people from smurfing in F2P games where having multiple accounts doesn’t cost a cent.
Smurfing prevented me from playing LoL and Dota2, impossible to get into a game when you can't get off the ground, the opposition is made up of smurfs and half or more of your team as well, and you get shit on for trying to learn how to play.
League of Legends has a very unique account selling problem that Riot have proven outright fucking incompetent in addressing.
You need to hit level 30 on your account to start playing Ranked, which can take about 112 hours of cumulative play time to achieve. This has created a black market for fresh League accounts that have been pushed to Level 30 and are ready to be played in Ranked.
Unranked League accounts that are level 30 fetch about $1 - $10 on illicit websites because there are whole industries of Chinese gold farming firms and bots infiltrating the game. If you want an account that's in Iron 3 or Iron 4 (the two lowest divisions in Ranked), it can fetch a few hundred dollars at bare minimum, at least if DongHuaP is to be believed. Iron accounts are so expensive because of how hard they are to actually get into Iron in the first place without tripping Riot's automated reporting systems and getting banned, but also they're lucrative for YouTube content creators because they use them to do 'Iron to Grandmaster' series.
I'm somebody who peaked at Archon rank in DOTA 2 (LoL equivalent would be Platinum) and used to play StarCraft II at Master level (second highest league in the game, Grandmaster is top-200 in the region), so I'm not exactly incompetent at RTS or MOBA games. But in League my account is borked and I'm in literal elo hell. I have found it impossible to climb above Iron 2 because of smurfs, bots and powerlevellers inting their accounts deliberately so that they can resell them.
DongHuaP mentioned. Auto upvote.
But yeah ELO hell is real... I tried to combat that by only playing with at least 1 premade (duo). If I bring someone in, that makes one less spot for inter/AFKer/troll in my team, right? Yes. But matchmaking also sends you to harder matches because "you are at advantage of playing with a premade".
Each past season since S07, I reach gold then quit. This season I fell from Gold 4 10LP straight to Silver 4 25LP. 15 loses streak. The hardest I've ever fallen. Soul crushing. And I usually end up top 3 players of the match. I make mistakes, but they don't cost us the loss.
Even in bottom silver, I saw matchmaking sending Platinums in my enemy team (based on porofessor.gg pre-match info). I thought it wasn't possible to play with 2 divisions difference. Get your shits together and fix matchmaking, Riot.
I have found it impossible to climb above Iron 2 because of smurfs, bots and powerlevellers inting their accounts deliberately so that they can resell them.
If this is the case, then how does this happen?
they’re lucrative for YouTube content creators because they use them to do ‘Iron to Grandmaster’ series.
2 is higher than 3 or 4.
Presumably OP is about as skilled or a little more than Chinese account farmers (who are bound to be pretty good to make any money...) and less skilled than professional YouTubers.
Fascinating!
That was my exact experience with the original Warcraft 3 mod to the point I’ve never bothered with MOBAs beyond Overwatch.
DotA Allstars was the worst and was the thing that made me initially not get into MOBAs. I always used to nickname that game Defense of the Assholes because of how toxic the player base was. My teens were otherwise spent playing Footman Frenzy, BattleTanks, WW2/WW1 Battle for Europe, Run Kitty Run and other maps.
Best memory was sixteen years ago being labelled a feeder, kicked from an -apem game on Bnet mid-match, added to a global banlist, and told by the game host to hang myself when I asked him what his fucking problem was.
What was the cardinal sin I committed which led to such a heavy-handed and toxic response, you may ask? I bought Mekanism while playing Dragon Knight. Apparently without any tutorials and in a casual pub match on Blizzard's own servers, I should have known that players needed to buy Buriza and not a healing/buffing item.
Funny thing is, depending on the time period, mek on DK wouldn't even be that outlandish. I've seen it built in pubs and pro games plenty of times.
I think it's a problem with competitive gaming. Your average player in any competitive game is a meta slave that's incapable of any kind of critical thinking.
My fifteen-year-old brain's thought process at the time was that DK had very high innate armor and health regeneration, and Meka would not only bolster that, but allow me to heal/buff allies, push waves harder since it affects minions, and just snowball the game.
The struggle is real man ✊️
Oh man, i played dota more than half of my life (started from dota1 as warcraft 3 custom map). Don't regret anything hahaha
Up timing, but depending on data permissions upon download they may also have things like device fingerprints. Agreed on the service management though. Brilliant work.
This is such a great change. I wish league of legends would do the same. In lol it feels like more players have smurf accounts than not. Smurfs contribute nothing to the games and only ruin the experience for the other 9 players.
Playing in plat / emerald elo feels like each game is a complete landslide in favor of one team. I wonder if banning Smurf accounts would fix this issue and make games more fun
How exactly does smurfing work? I don't play Dota and the description on the page doesn't really help me understand
You're an experienced player but create a new account to get matched against noobs. Since the game is free, there's no cost to doing so.
Ahh thanks, that does sound really shitty to do.
In dota, there is a cost: you have to play 100 hours of unranked before you can play ranked. Honestly, because of this, while smurfing obviously still happens rarely, I don't think I've seen any smurfs in my last 50 games of ranked, which is at least 30 hours of gameplay. I would assume you see more smurfs in unranked games, but since I'm not playing those, I don't see them.
You still need a valid phone number to play ranked games, so there is some limitation.
Well yeah, but you can get a verification number for less than half a dollar usually if you know where to look.
Smurfing is when a player has a secondary account so they can play against/with lower ranked players. Imagine a chess grand master putting on a disguise and going to a beginners chess tournament
Smurfing is knowingly and deliberately playing at the incorrect skill-level/mmr/elo. Most times, people will create or buy a separate account, that somehow has a lower mmr/elo attached to it to do this. You can 'play bad' or 'throw the game' for 50 games in a row and your rating will tank a lot, so that's a bummer to encounter as your new teammate randomly... Then this player can win a lot of games in a row playing as 'themselves' and completely stomp games all the way back to their 'true' mmr. Does that help explain it?
Yep I understand now! Thanks for the explanation. I don't get how that'd be fun unless the person just enjoys being an asshole...
Basically someone with a high matchmaking rating creates a brand new Steam account and installs the game, pretending to be a new player. They then proceed to stomp on the actual new players and just be generally as toxic as possible. After all, if that account gets banned, they can always make a new one.
Does this effectively mean that making a new account for any other reason is effectively against the rules in these kinds of game, because you'd start at the bottom rank, or is there some way of telling between an experienced player just making an alt or new account, and one specifically doing it for facing low ranked players?
Wish they did this in Rocket League. I stopped playing because of all the smurfs. Shits annoying.
This seems like a reasonable approach but the smurfs have already ruined all the games prior to being banned. I wonder how difficult it is to prevent smurfing altogether? Doesn't seem like it'd be easy at all.
For Korea and China, probably quite easy.
Both regions require you to register for the game using a residential ID due to strict internet laws in those regions. China's are so notoriously strict that the kind of toxic degeneracy you'd see on the European or North American servers would probably nuke your social credit score or land you in prison if you tried to pull it there.
As for the West, the only companies from my experience that genuinely ask for personal details beyond a username, email address and password are those that host shoddy Korean MMO's and have notoriously bad internet security. Valve have tried to address smurfing in the past by requiring accounts to register phone numbers before they can play Ranked, but this can easily be bypassed with cheap burner phones and other services.
By what metrics do they use to even tell a player is a smurf to be able to take action against them?
On top of my head (uneducated guess) :
These items taken individually don't tell much. But when cross-referenced with other data, I'm pretty sure it becomes clear really fast when someone is smurfing.
Meanwhile, smurfs in CSGO/CS2