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I'm very glad GNOME does such an amazing job staying modern in its look. GNU+Linux and free software would be much worse off without it.

[–] Zeus@lemm.ee 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (30 children)

who even decides what's "modern" anymore?

can anyone, honestly, without reading the article (or guessing from the headline), tell me which of these is the "modern" design?

screenshot of the nautilus file manager in light mode screenshot of the nautilus file manager in light mode

edit: people are getting confused by the fact that one is tree view, not icons view so i changed the image. old image here

[–] owiseedoubleyou@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Apparently "modern" means hiding options behind extra clicks

[–] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 year ago

i may be blind but what exactly was hidden behind one or more clicks?

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[–] curioushom@lemmy.one 15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Clearly the dark mode is the modern one! Jokes aside, I just realized that there THREE menu options on that toolbar: hamburger, kebab, and waffle! I realize they do different things, but no wonder people are confused by and scared of computers. Also, now I'm hungry!

TIL of kebab and waffle menus.

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[–] HouseWolf@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Corpo's and social media "designers" who would throw out their own mother because she's "outdated"

Honestly as someone who doesn't use Gnome... I can't really tell much of a difference, Seems like a strange thing to build hype over.

[–] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

as a GNOME user I also don't get the hype lol

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

hey as long as it has thumbnail preview I will be hyped.

[–] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

It's just my opinion (since it's not in the article) but a thing that makes Gnome and Libadwaita a "modern design" is the fact that the production behind it tries to bridge the gap between a "mouse and keyboard" and a "touch screen" workflow.
None of the other DEs come even close to Gnome when used on a tablet

[–] thepoaster@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Agreed, I'm not an expert, kind of new to linux, but I could see being very comfortable on a Gnome based tablet.

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[–] Heavybell@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Petition to force anyone talking about software to use "trendy" or "fashionable" instead of "modern".

[–] Asymptote@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

Full height sidebar - from Mac OS 7 or so - must be modern?

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

The first one doesn't waste space in the title bar by expanding the locator and navigator buttons there.

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[–] ebits21@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Great. Now do split panel!

[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

And column browse

[–] Sina@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't think I can go back to Nautilus after using Dolphin for so long, even if the search is far better.

The search on nautilus is probably better because a lot of gnome distros have the file indexer enabled by default, and that's what nautilus uses, but many kde distros don't come with the kde indexer, so dolphin doesn't index by default.

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[–] gamey@feddit.rocks 5 points 1 year ago

I don't like Nautilus and always srick with Nemo but the new look of many Gnome apps is really nice!

[–] BigBangFieri@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Been a Gnome user for years and always glad to see them modernize the UI more, but the one thing I desperately want is .stl and/or .3mf thumbnailers to just work with Nautilus. Tried several times to set up in Fedora using f3d, but instead just get blurry question mark thumbnails

[–] gzrrt@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What's the advantage vs. the current version?

Also looks like it's removing an important visual affordance (i.e., which areas you can click to drag the window), unless I'm misinterpreting it

[–] d_k_bo@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The current version has some problems with adaptivity, e.g. resizing the app window can cause issues. This led to the creation of new libadwaita widgets. If you want to read the technical details, see https://blogs.gnome.org/alicem/2023/06/15/rethinking-adaptivity/

[–] Markaos@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Also looks like it's removing an important visual affordance (i.e., which areas you can click to drag the window), unless I'm misinterpreting it

The top bar has been full of buttons with no whitespace for a year or more now, that's not new (you can still drag the window using the whole bar, but it's definitely not intuitive and made me subconsciously do Win+drag to be safe many times).

This seems to be a relatively minor visual update to have the left sidebar fill the whole window - ~~maybe they want more space for shortcuts at a given window height?~~ No clue.

Edit: never mind, checked again and it's literally just a tiny visual update with no change to the actual content of the sidebar, but it takes some space away from the top bar.

[–] rzlatic@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

i welcome merging two triple-dot menus into one, according to screenshots.

[–] grimaferve@kglitch.social 5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Win+drag

Thank you internet person, you have changed my life forever.

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[–] Mio@feddit.nu 4 points 1 year ago

Please also remove the text places and make use of that space

[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Looks nice, but if I could trade these visual gimmicks for a type-ahead feature, I would do so in a heartbeat.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Not a fan of slicing up the title bar like that, to be honest. Yeah, it saves some space, but I'm on a desktop with plenty of screen space, so that really isn't a priority, and being able to easily move windows around is a priority.

Also, what the hell is wrong with old-fashioned menus? This isn't a phone. GNOME doesn't even run on phones.

[–] palordrolap@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's the thing. There is no title bar. The title bar, if forced to exist, would go above both of those sections.

GNOME apps seem to have been headed in this direction for a while.

If I open gnome-disks, for example, the title bar is kind of odd because it doesn't show the name of the program at all. It only shows the size of the currently selected disk, and underneath that in a smaller text subheading is the actual device pathname of the disk. How many other programs do you know that have a subheading under the window title in the title bar?

This feels like an early decision to do something different with that part of the window.

Further along in the evolution is the dconf-editor which no longer shows any kind of title bar at all. The window manager shows that the window title is "dconf Editor" but there's nothing on the window itself that says that.

Earlier versions of each definitely had a standard title bar (I remember dconf-editor having one fairly clearly, because the new interface seemed strange at first), but not any more.

There's also that desktop web browsers generally request that their title bar not be shown. Given that everyone has at least one browser window open, it would be almost foolish to assume there's been no influence from that design choice.

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[–] ProtonBadger@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a laptop user I love the idea that some of the titlebar space being utilized. I don't use GNOME though. I hope there will continue to be good UXs for both of us.

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[–] j0hax@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
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