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Russian intelligence is operating a systematic program to launder pro-Kremlin propaganda through private relationships between Russian operatives and unwitting US and western targets, according to newly declassified US intelligence.

US intelligence agencies believe that the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) is attempting to influence public policy and public opinion in the West by directing Russian civilians to build relationships with influential US and Western individuals and then disseminate narratives that support Kremlin objectives, obscuring the FSB’s role through layers of ostensibly independent actors.

“These influence operations are designed to be deliberately small scale, the overall goal being US [and] Western persons presenting these ideas, seemingly organic,” a US official authorized to discuss the material told CNN. “The co-optee influence operations are built primarily on personal relationships … they build trust with them and then they can leverage that to covertly push the FSB’s agenda.”

The campaigns have sometimes been effective at planting Russian narratives in the Western press, according to the intelligence. Maxim Grigoriev, who heads a Russian NGO, made multiple speeches to the UN presenting a false study that claimed the humanitarian group the White Helmets – which operates in Syria – was running a black market for human organs and had faked chemical attacks by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, with whom Russia is allied. Those claims eventually found their way into a television report on the far-right OANN in the United States, according to open-source materials provided by the official.

But the official stressed that the Western voices that eventually became mouthpieces for Russian propaganda were almost certainly unaware of the role they were playing.

“At the end of the day, this unwitting target is disseminating Russian influence operation, Russian propaganda to their target public,” the US official said. “Ultimately, a lot of these are unwitting people — they remain unaware who is essentially seeding these narratives.”

The intelligence provides several examples of Russian civilian “co-optees” doing the bidding of the FSB.

One man, Andrey Stepanenko, founded a media project in 2014 that sponsored journalists from the US and the West to visit eastern Ukraine and learn “the alleged truth” about what was happening in the region. In fact, the FSB directed his efforts and “almost certainly financed the project,” according to the declassified intelligence.

CNN was not able to locate Stepanenko to ask for comment.

The US official also cited Natalia Burlinova, the founder of a Russian NGO who routinely coordinated FSB-funded public diplomacy efforts aimed at influencing Western views. In 2018, she visited, had meetings and hosted events at multiple US think tanks and universities in New York, Boston and Washington – work that was funded by the FSB, according to the intelligence. Her conduct was already public: She was indicted earlier this year on charges of conspiring with an FSB officer to act as an illegal agent of Russia inside the United States, although she remains at liberty in Russia.

Burlinova in an email to CNN denied that her US trips in 2018 were financed by the FSB.

“All travel expenses were financed by a grant that we previously received from the Presidential Grants Fund, the main grant operator of Russia,” she said. “The FSB of Russia did not give me any money for the trip.”

The official declined to offer specifics to back up the intelligence community’s assertions that the FSB is funding this kind of operation but noted that once officials were able establish FSB backing, it is easy to trace the narratives they are pushing in open-source materials.

“Once you’re aware of who these people are and their association with the FSB, by nature of what they’re doing, they have very, very public personas,” the official said. “And so I would just say it’s not really difficult to kind of follow the strings.”

The US official declined to say whether Russia has used these same tactics to try to influence US elections.

The FSB does use similar tactics to influence political opinion within Russia, according to the intelligence. In one instance, a Russian media figure named Anton Tsvetkov organized protests outside of embassies in Moscow — including the US Embassy — at the FSB’s behest. The protests pushed Russia’s narrative of the war in Ukraine, “promoting the ‘Ukrainian Nazi’ narrative and blaming the U.S. and its allies for the deaths of children in the Donbass,” while hiding the Russian government’s role, according to the declassified intelligence.

“The purpose of those protests really was … designed to sell it to the Russian people,” the US official said.

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 181 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Bro this isn't news. Its r/TheDonald, Lemmygrad, and half of youtube and facebook. This has been happening since 2016.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 77 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’d still say it’s news, it’s just confirming that Russia has continued their same pattern of behavior. Early on the troll farms actually infiltrated communities (I remember reading that they targeted the Bernie subreddit too), but now they just upvote, like, and share unwitting US pawns

[–] david@feddit.uk 36 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Yeah I thought it was weird when so many Bernie supporters switched to Trump. They're political opposites.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not just that. The whole “Bernie or bust, never support democrats again!” Stuff

[–] BeardedSingleMalt@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

There were waves of people who claimed that because their guy Bernie didn't get the nom, they threw a fit and were outright voting 3rd party instead of Biden. Of course, none of them ever went to the polls to vote in the primaries because [insert 14 different excuses]

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah, that stuff was incredibly transparent I don't think it got many real people.. But if they get just one in five hundred former supporters then it still moves the needle.

It's insane that our margins are what they are. A lot of this stuff just shouldn't have debate. It's too common sense.

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[–] toasteecup@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I know a former Bernie bro. He switched to trump because "the system fucked Bernie and trump is trying to fuck the system"

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[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It wasn't even subtle.

I remember posts with thousands of upvotes from this website called thedurian. I googled the people who ran it, one of them had a linkedin which mentioned his location as Moscow and that he had previously worked for RT.

Given I was banned for posting screenshots, I suspect the mods of /r/thedonald were in on it.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

TheDonald started as a joke that was legitimately funny. As soon as anyone tried to call it out as a joke, that person would be banned within seconds. That's not normal, volunteer moderation.

There were people with the power to ban paid to control that sub. They took shifts, likely from Russia.

[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Id rather be a Russian than a Democrat"

Right around the time Russians stopped being "damn commies" to "antidote to the degenerate west" to them.

Oh SHIT I actually forgot that was a thing commonly heard. Frankly it's been brain breaking news headlines (and usually the even with context it was accurate headlines) since 2015 so hard to remember it all.

[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

And there is literally nothing to declassify. This has been happening out in the open for years. The FBI has been warning us about this shit multiple times. Yet the funny think is that people don't think it is happening to them.

[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

It's also Tucker and Talk Radio.

[–] fidodo@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

This has been happening for way longer than that

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I noticed a decent number of Russian memes (before Trump) trying to make Russia and Putin look cool, and remember wondering if they were from Russians actually trying or from Westerners having lolz.

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[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 93 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's a shock to no one.

My anti-mask friend kept linking Zero Hedge articles to support his stance. Not recognizing the source, I did 10 minutes of research and told him his sole source of information appeared to be a Russian propaganda vehicle. He went on a very aggressive rant about my arrogance at dismissing his "alt media" out of hand.

About a year later, the FBI publicly outed zero hedge as pedaling Russian propaganda. But apparently that was fake news too.

It's impossible to talk to that guy anymore. He doesn't live in reality.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I too have lost friends to “anti-western alt media”

They tell me how YouTube is censoring everything and thus rumble is the place to go. Gave that site a quick search and learned all I needed to know lol.

They also claim Russia a victim of western aggression but cannot put together a reasonable answer in relation to the invasion of ukr. To no surprise, they also have nothing to say in regards to the persecution of lgbt and non-Roman Catholics, the joke that is their “democracy”. The US is disgusting to them, will trot out foreign policy…. but Russia is A-Okay somehow!

“Oh well I’m not sure of the specifics so maybe they have a good reason”, and yet you’re so sure Russia is the victim? Fucking sad as hell. Lost fucking cause

They say shit like how Iran is one of the most moral countries around. I pointed to the uprisings of women after killings related to hijabs and I was told that I can’t be sure of what’s happening over there. It’s just so fucking obvious that it’s propaganda being parroted, I just don’t understand how you can be so fucking dumb

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Not all of the online ones are that dumb. Some are just straight up Russian. Meanwhile 80% of the GOP won't speak out against it because they don't want to lose their seats.

I can't believe we still have operational coal plants in 2023. That fact alone is insane. We should be making a bipartisan plan to phase out the common use of gasoline and diesel. Even just saying we'll tax gas to a price of $10/gallon by 2030 would be enough to make the transition happen.

We should be taking action against anything on the seas burning bunker fuel.

The easiest shit to combat climate change really is low hanging fruit. Of course at this point we'll need active measures as well. We've gone too far to just stop polluting.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Had a similar experience on a forum during peak pandemic, all the sources provided ended up being linked to Russia and mostly to the same person that was involved in a bunch of "news" websites. Try explaining to someone that they don't know how to validate a source... Yeah...

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Yuuup. One of his sources saying that covid was overblown was Frontline Doctors of America. I spent 20 minutes looking into who they were. Not a single virologist, pathologist, etc in the bunch, claiming that covid was curable.

He literally said "he lost respect" for me that day when I laughed that one of his source's doctors was on video saying vaginally cysts were caused by demon rape in your dreams. He gave me a back faith victim argument about being disrespectful to other people's cultures.

Yeah dude. Sure. That's what you're upset about, dude who literally told me, verbatim, "emotions are stupid" after I gave him a long thought out multiple page explanation of my side, telling him about seeing my parents waste away because they couldn't go outside because my mother's immuno compromised from chemo, etc etc.

Fuck your bad faith bullshit.

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[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

“Unwitting westerners” = MAGAtard trumpers for those of you that don’t want to read it all.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

also communities like chapotraphouse that's on hexbear that's thankfully defederated on this instance, they just vomit Kremlin propaganda, they are blaming the USA for Russia invading Ukraine can't make that shit up, some of them actually reveal their true colors though and openly call for the annihilation of Ukraine

[–] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The lemmygrad and lemmy.ml tankies are bad enough as it is.

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[–] Landmammals@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The report was released by a top ranking military official known as "Captain Obvious".

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[–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Literally everyone knows this

[–] BeardedSingleMalt@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Literally everyone who wasn't duped knows this

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I'd bet $100 the FSB is directly responsible for all the red scare propaganda on lemmy.

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[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

I am shocked. This is my shocked face 😮

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

Tucker Carlson is the prime example of this.. he's been doing real estate deals with Russians for a long time, and they feed him his "news"..

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Aww, how cute. They think these people are doing this unwittingly. I'm convinced there are some people doing this quite wittingly -- and a bunch are in office...

[–] Wrongleverkrunk@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago
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[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Makes you wonder what kind of disruptive narratives they're pushing online that aren't Russia-related.

What kinds of trends would they want to amplify in western online communities to cause the most harm over time?

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like how a remarkable proportion of pro-Russia social media accounts were also antivaxxers during COVID?

[–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't forget climate change denial.

[–] Bipta@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Which is particularly beneficial for Russia as their useless land will become prime agricultural land and they'll have access to more warm water ports.

[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anything the modern far right champions today is destructive to the US so... the entire conservative political ideology.

[–] Enigma@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

Remember when Republican congress members visited Russia on the 4th of July?

[–] Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Russian information doctrine is to fuel any fire that has two sides. They don't actually pick sides, they just want nations more divided, because nation that is divided cannot function properly.

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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Lol no shit. A few of them are my coworkers.

[–] thoro@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I'm not even saying this is necessarily untrue, but the irony in this article is palpable.

If commenting on bias in reporting then I can't help but recall the seminal work on the topic in the West in Manufacturing Consent. , particularly the section of the model on sourcing.

I mean, how can you read this article about FSB influence and just ignore the sourcing sentence stating:

US intelligence agencies believe

Agencies we also know have deceived the public.

Again, this isn't unnecessarily untrue, but don't be blind to the other side of it either.

Not everyone you disagree with online is a witting/unwitting Russian agent, especially tiny Lemmy communities.

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