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[–] MisterMoo@kbin.social 55 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Imagine naming a feature "Full Self-Driving," and yet you can't take your attention away from the road and must be ready to take over at a moment's notice.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is on par for Elon's entire career. He loves claiming success and taking credit for things he either didn't accomplish himself, or things he hasn't accomplished yet.

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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[–] athos77@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I remember reading a post that claimed that Tesla's safety rating was given to them because a bunch of their crashes were determined to be human error - because the self-driving feature would automatically disconnect if it faced a crash it couldn't avoid.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The issue is a bit muddied by the fact that hitting the brake or the accelerator will deactivate it, and people will usually hit one of those if they believe that they are going to crash.

[–] Chriskmee@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's ok, it's in beta, so some features may not be complete just yet, but hey, let's just release this to the public anyways.

[–] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

And charge a shit load for it

[–] helmet91@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's just a driving assistant, like in any other car. As far as I know, currently Mercedes is the only one who implemented autonomous driving, and even that one is limited to some specific areas. But at least that one is real. So much, that legally Mercedes (the company) is considered to be the driver of such cars, in case anything happens on the roads.

[–] practisevoodoo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends on your definition for autonomous driving which mainly depends on your ODD but they're not the only ones. Honda ,Volvo and GM have something. Others (i.e. BMW) have stuff next year but they're all going with more accurate names. CoPilot, PilotAssist, Super cruise, Traffic Jam Pilot. Makes it clear that these are drive assists, not drive replace.

[–] froh42@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Mercedes has Level 3 autonomy in certain highway situations, so you are legally allowed to watch a video or read a newspaper. You just need to be able to take over again within 20 seconds or so.

Others are following close up, I think Audi had to postpone Level 3 a bit etc. BMW has something in the pipeline as well.

But these are really more than drive assists. I really find the "Level n" specifications more helpful than "drive assist" vs "autonomy"

None of the other brands oversell what they are offering.

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[–] Oddbin@lemm.ee 47 points 1 year ago (7 children)

So, when are we changing this forums name from Technology to it's actual purpose of late "every click and rage bait post about Tesla and Musk so people can circlejerk worse than reddit"?

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's literally nothing but bullshit about Tesla and Twitter. All day long. No one cares!

I want to know about some actual tech, not the drama.

[–] RegularGoose@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You don't care. If no one cared, there wouldn't be so many posts and extremely active discussions about them. If you want different content, post it.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Elon Musk is a scammer. He's good at that and it's the only thing he's good at

Can we go now and talk about technology,?

[–] dbilitated@aussie.zone 5 points 1 year ago

The only way to fix it is to post more interesting stuff yourself. Me too, tbh.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately, all the current tech news is either people running naked scams or people debunking them.

The tragedy of our modern era is how much money we've invested in selling people a box labeled "Newest Life Changing Gadget" that's just full of rocks.

[–] tony@lemmy.hoyle.me.uk 2 points 1 year ago

It seems like a new anti Tesla article hits lemmy every day. It's boring at this point.

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[–] ShadowRam@kbin.social 43 points 1 year ago (24 children)

Without LIDAR, this is a fool's endeavor.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 year ago

I wish this was talked about every single time the subject came up.

Responsible, technologically progressive companies have been developing excellent, safe, self-driving car technology for decades now.

Elon Musk is eviscerating the reputation of automated vehicles with his idiocy and arrogance. They don't all suck, but Tesla sure sucks.

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[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The elephant in the room is that the NHTSA still doesn't have a director, and hasn't had a long-term director since 2017.

Steven Cliff was the director for 2 months in 2022. Aside from that, this important safety organization has been... erm... on autopilot (see what I did there?) and leaderless.

How are we supposed to keep tabs on car safety if the damn agency in charge of automobile safety doesn't even have a leader?

[–] MakeItCount@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

[https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/](Tesla FSD Timeline)

[–] hansl@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

TBF, we have achieved a FSD that is safer than one human this year. But we took away the driver license of grandma so now we have to find another human that’s worse than FSD.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Back in 2016, Tesla CEO Elon Musk stunned the automotive world by announcing that, henceforth, all of his company’s vehicles would be shipped with the hardware necessary for “full self-driving.” You will be able to nap in your car while it drives you to work, he promised.

But while Musk would eventually ship an advanced driver-assist system that he called Full Self-Driving (FSD) beta, the idea that any Tesla owner could catch some z’s while their car whisks them along is, at best, laughable — and at worst, a profoundly fatal error.

Since that 2016 announcement, hundreds of fully driverless cars have rolled out in multiple US cities, and none of them bear the Tesla logo.

His supporters point to the success of Autopilot, and then FSD, as evidence that while his promises may not exactly line up with reality, he is still at the forefront of a societal shift from human-powered vehicles to ones piloted by AI.

You’ll also hear from a former Tesla employee who was fired after posting videos of FSD errors, experts who compare the company’s self-driving efforts to its competitors, and even from the competitors themselves — like Kyle Vogt, CEO of the General Motors-backed Cruise, who is unconvinced that Musk can fulfill his promises without rethinking his entire hardware strategy.

Listen to the latest episode of Land of the Giants: The Tesla Shock Wave, a co-production between The Verge and the Vox Media Podcast Network.


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[–] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago

I've been ranting about this since 2016.

Having consumer trust in developing AI vehicles is hard enough without this asshole's ego and lies muddying the water.

[–] silvercove@lemdro.id 6 points 1 year ago (11 children)
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