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[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 145 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I wish them the best of luck. Not that they have any chance of success but the more damage they cause to the Russian army, the better

[–] perviouslyiner@lemm.ee 35 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Was there actually anything stopping them before, other than some traffic cops with a grenade launcher, and some excavator operators frantically digging up the motorway?

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[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

FSB as an organization needs to die to the man before anything good can happen in Russia.

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[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 94 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For everyone just tuning in: This show is notorious for having bad season finales.

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hate how they just kill important characters offscreen.

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[–] noobdoomguy8658@feddit.de 91 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Take it with a grain of salt, people, none of the trustworthy sources confirmed any of that - just a couple of Ukrainian outlets (understandable as psyop) and, well, yahoo news and the like.

As a Russian living in Russia and, obviously, closely following all the shit show, it does not seem like Wagner is going to do anything.

Then again, I'm not sure about shit after 24 Feb 2022.

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[–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 75 points 1 year ago

I'll believe it when I see it.

[–] quantum_mechanic@sh.itjust.works 59 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Doubtful. They are mercenaries and won't be getting paid anymore. Mercenaries have no allegiance to anybody.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Just because the leader was presumably killed, doesn't mean they stop getting paid. Do you get fired from your job if your boss dies?

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If your boss is the CEO and owner, maybe yeah.

[–] jcg@halubilo.social 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If your boss was the one that had connections with the client, then maybe eventually yeah.

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah, was gonna say. A CEO dying doesn't stop the paychecks in a normal company, but if the CEO was murdered by the company's only client...

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[–] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're in the hire of Russia, do you imagine Russia is going to pay them to march on Moscow

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[–] Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Idk about that one, they're employed by Wagner, Wagner is essentially the business entity that allows them to operate as a mercenary group. Who knows how much loyalty they have to their own command structure? If I were the owner of a private Merc army, I would try to instill as much loyalty as I can so they don't turn on me.

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[–] bobman@unilem.org 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Mercenaries have no allegiance to anybody.

I mean, that's not entirely true. Some mercenaries actually have allegiance to their companies and really care about their goals.

You'd actually be way more accurate talking about soldiers in the state's military than mercenaries.

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[–] ours@lemmy.film 5 points 1 year ago

It could be a move to force Putin to pay them off now they are masterless.

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[–] Curiousfur@yiffit.net 42 points 1 year ago

Fucken do it then

[–] notatoad@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As long as they’re not killing Ukrainians, then I guess yeah, go do whatever…

[–] letsgocrazy@lemm.ee 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My Russian friend pointed out to me that Prigozhin was actually on his way to see Putin when he got shot down.

[–] lemme_at_it@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

So they all went in one plane...

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

March on Moscow 2, Electric Boogaloo.

[–] Rayspekt@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Uprise42@artemis.camp 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It would be so ironic if the plane crash was entirely an accident and not planned in any way, but no one believes it because of Putins history. And if they kill him for something he wasn’t actually involved in because of his past crimes ruining his credibility it would be oh-so-sweet

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

The 'tator that cried wolf.

[–] bobman@unilem.org 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They should join up with the Ukrainians.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No, in this case the enemy of their enemy is just another enemy.

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[–] GivingEuropeASpook@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nah, they were even more gung-ho about the invasion than regular Russians.

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[–] FarceMultiplier@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago

This is a greater overall danger than many of you seem to realize. Their leader was a face and figurehead, the real power of Wagner mercenaries lies with the lieutenants. Without him, they are likely to splinter and become more brutal. Some are likely to be hired by the anti-Putin oligarchs, while others may align with Putin. This may result in Russia having to pull out of Ukraine, but that's not the end of this. Even if Putin is slammed out of power, that just results in an internal power struggle with deadly consequences. Those will not stay inside their borders.

[–] AlgonquinHawk@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

God I hope they go through with this.

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[–] randomperson@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The less wagnerites operating on Ukrainian soil the better. The less wagnerites helping illegal migrants to cross Polish-Belarusian border the better. The less wagnerites the better.

[–] TimeNaan@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Fuck wagner but also fuck the polish border guards for murdering migrants.

I dont give a fuck if they're considered "legal" or not - they deserve to be treated like refugees not like a political pawn for both sides.

[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here we go again.

It will end not differently than last time.

When they had their leader, they might have had a chance to taking down Putin. Maybe. Slim chance, but a chance. Now they are fucked.

Still would be nice to put a hurt on the Russian military.

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Any military units they manage to destroy is good for the rest of the world.

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[–] metaStatic@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

because it went so well before

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

They'd be more effective taking over Belarus if they really want to cause Putin problems.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

If this really happens then it'll be a popcorn-worthy event. Let's you and him fight.

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