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Wagner Channels already announced another March of Justice™ in case YP ate shit.
Ended their message with "you better hope he's alive..."
Edit: Three separate sources confirmed Prigozhin and Utkin dead. Not only Wagnerites but also ultranationalists are calling for blood.
Edit: Three separate sources confirmed Prigozhin and Utkin dead. Not only Wagnerites but also ultranationalists are calling for blood.
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The Guardian reports Wagner allied media are reporting the plane was shot down by Russian air defenses.
Wagner Channels already announced another March of Justice™ in case YP ate shit.
My understanding is that they had their heavy weapons taken away and were moved out of Russia, maybe specifically to guard against this scenario. I don't think that there's much of an intact independent organization in Russia right now.
If you were Wagner, would you have kept some guns for later? I would have
So, if you've got the population involved, I could believe that you could do an uprising with small arms, sure.
But this isn't "the Russian public is pissed to the point of fighting", but "some people in Wagner are pissed". Wagner's got military-trained people, but they aren't that big.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group
Largest number there was 50K, and I don't think that they're anywhere near that big any more, because they don't have convicts on short-term contracts any more. I think I remember seeing something like 5k in Belarus. Some Wagner people are in Africa or elsewhere. My impression is that the Kremlin wanted them out of Russia as an independent organization -- the people there had to sign on with the military, and I assume that they probably dispersed those. So, a lot of that isn't an internal threat.
I think that they weren't likely to pull off the first march if it came to a serious fight, and that was before a significant portion of the organization was dismantled, and people who agreed with them, like Surovikin, were removed. What was notable then was that a lot of the people in the public, local Russian military, didn't really care, weren't aiming to resist, and they had some level of support from the public, so maybe they could have just rolled into Moscow in some sort of a coup situation and supported that. But if their patrons are gone, I assume that that cannot happen either.
My guess is that if Putin is at risk, it's more because now he's more-dependent now on the military, and maybe someone in the military could perform a coup. He doesn't have Wagner as an independent force to play off against them. Lots of countries have leaders that have been deposed by the military if military leaders think that they can get a better deal with the leader gone.
I don't expect another uprising. I just think that prigoshin told himself: putin won't dare kill me, because then XYZ will happen.
XYZ might also just be a revenge murder, perhaps Putin, perhaps one of his mistresses, whatever...
I would expect him to have some contingencies. He must have believed that none would dare mess with him.
In German we have a saying that's quite fitting in this situation I think:
"Tja."
Machste nix.
Steckst nicht drin
In dem Fall schon
Zumindest in Teilen... Teilchen...
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Is it possible to find a situation for which the germans don't have a highly specific term? Does the concept of that situation have a specific word in german?
„Wortfindungsschwierigkeiten“ would work, literally just means „word - finding - difficulties“
It’s not exclusively made for this but is actually a word that you will hear out in the wild from time to time. For a more specific word we could say something like „Okkasionalismuslosigkeit“ which would translate to „The Absence of an occasional word“, but this is probably the first and last time that is used by anyone
Haja
Well. Who would have thought. Then again, that seems a pretty cliche way to go. I would have thought he'd make it harder for them.
According to an American agency, he stayed in a hotel without windows. So he made it hard for them.
Is that a new variant of the good old russian gravitational poisoning?
Wagner-linked Telegram Gray Zone says Prigozhin's jet was shot down by Russian (MOD) air defense forces
Based on the past events where they shot their own planes I wouldn't discard a mistake and not even intended.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin was on the passenger list of a plane which crashed in Russia, killing all 10 on board.
Earlier, a Wagner-linked Telegram channel Grey Zone reported that the jet was shot down by air defences in Tver region, north of Moscow.
Prigozhin led a failed mutiny against the Russian armed forces in June.
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Well that didn’t take long.
A bullet in the head or a heroin overdose would have been cheaper and had costs fewer lives, but Russia is Russia. They love their “accidents”.
I’m surprised they could spare the SAM.
Russia always has SAMs ready for pax planes..
The plane started from St Petersburg. No SAM needed just a bit of work on the plane.