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My boss recently bought a couple of books that he expected my team to read.

In the past when previous bosses have done this, I've generally gained a lot out of reading the books, even if I disliked some aspects of their arguments I've been able to get a lot of insight from the arguments and evidence presented.

But this book is complete garbage. Truly first rate trash. It barely qualifies as a book. Conquer Your Rebrand, is ostensibly meant to be a business strategy guide to branding. But it is more like a long winded LinkedIn post. It's clearly an attempt by the author to fill his sales pipeline that's barely disguised as him passing on 'expertise.' It presents no compelling arguments, no evidence, is severely lacking in any sort of citations and is written like someone desperately trying to flog a timeshare at a weekend convention. I have redlined the shit out of it but I got so infuriated reading it that I can't imagine how to have a decent discussion with my boss about this book without seeming like my low opinion of this book reflects back on him (which in reality it really does.)

I think it's so much worse because I just finished two brilliant books on my own time —Jack Welsh: The Man Who Broke Capitalism and When McKinsey Comes To Town: The Hidden Influence of The World's Biggest Consulting Firm — that both present compelling arguments, detailed referencing and excellent writing.

How would you handle this?

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[–] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is a good opportunity to practice managing upward. Engage with your boss about the book. Bring up a talking point from the book without judgement, and ask the boss what he thought about it. Ask what other talking points the boss found valuable, and why. Ask if there are any strategies from the book he woule like to try, and how he would test the success.

Your boss recomended the book, so in his eyes there is probably value there. Even if you found none, you can use this as an opportunity to understand your boss, and to clarify and shape expectations.

This is excellent.

The book, from your perspective, didn't ha e any value.

But for your boss, it did.

And if anything, this makes you look good for valuing his opinion, even if in the end, you don't plan to use it.

[–] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Just commented this. This is the answer.

[–] MothBookkeeper@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You already kinda said it—this is a problem with the relationship with your boss, not with the book.

With my boss, I can just say, "Honestly, this one was a miss for me. I appreciate the recommendation, and I wanted to give it a chance, but I didn't find much actionable substance in it. What did you get out of it?"

If you don't feel like you can do that, have a conversation with him about how he likes to receive feedback. If the answer is "he doesn't," it might be time to go boss shopping. But I doubt that will be the case.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This. Plus you can soften it with "I recently read X and Y, which taught me A and B plus a lot more, so maybe I'm just spoiled by a really high bar."

Your boss may not have fully developed their confidence in leadership yet. This is ok. We all can grow, including them. You may have an opportunity to teach your boss something here, which is also great since we should be open to learning from anyone, but avoiding any purposeful harm to their ego would be a nice gesture. Not required of course.

[–] MothBookkeeper@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Definitely! Though I would say avoiding purposeful harm to their ego should be more than a nice gesture. That's just basic respect. Trying to avoid accidental harm, sure.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)
  1. Don't talk about it unless asked.

  2. If asked, find ONE and only ONE good thing to say about it. Surely there's something in there that's appealling... "I really liked how confident he is!" He's confidently WRONG, but don't get into that part. "He's really enthusiastic!"

My favorite? "It was amazing!" (how stupid and inane this book was) Spot the unsaid part. :)

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Looking for backhanded corpoflattery?

I think x is an important subject that the author mentioned.

The level of expertise the author has is very apparent.

They obviously put a lot of work into this.

The last one basically means "its absolutely worthless".

The trick is to take a statement which should be true for any book. Usually these statements are followed by a more detailed description of what you found to be commendable. Lack of such a description speaks loudly but the other party does not need to engage it.

If you actually said "its worthless", then the other party would have to engage your statement. This leaves the opportunity to just gracefully accept your opinion and to just never speak of it again.

[–] amio@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Based on the OP's description, I'm not sure these are enough to hide the towering contempt - they are thinly veiled snide remarks. I empathize, just, y'know, it is what it is. If the boss has issues taking criticism or OP doesn't deliver the line perfectly, it's not far off from "it was shit and the author's a dumbfuck" and is very likely to get (fairly correctly) interpreted that way.

Brilliant for emails if you need to return passive-aggressive fire, though, of course. They're good jibes.

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Oh its a very thin line to tread sometimes in office politics. Do not merely drop that line and leave it hanging, there has to be some padding around it.

The larger point is what OP wants to say. If they do not want any sort of confrontation, lie. Its OK to lie to your boss if its not directly related to work.

If you want to be honest but not engage in any further discussion these statements convey that I think. Sometimes you actually want to say "I think that person is not qualified and will never learn" but leave the option for the other party to gloss over that statement.

Don't try to be clever by saying one thing and meaning another. Be clear about what you want to communicate and then how to communicate it.

[–] Pandemanium@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They obviously put a lot of work into this.

The last one basically means "its absolutely worthless".

So when someone says this about me they're actually calling me worthless? This is why I hate talking to people. Everything means the opposite of what it's supposed to.

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

It depends on the context. If you're asked to evaluate something and all you have to say about someone's work is that it took effort there is a lot unsaid. As in "at least they tried".

If you're saying "wow that looks like it took a lot of work" it means that you're acknowledging that someone spent a lot of energy on something. Like if its a really elaborate piece of art and you're just marveling at it.

If someone's saying this to you about your work they most likely mean the latter since the former is pointlessly cruel. Unless they're trying to bully or harass there is no need to tell someone their work is worthless.

[–] phario@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The first question to ask yourself is: “why do I need to say anything at all?”. If you don’t like the book or think it’s garbage, you don’t need to say anything. It’s not your job to educate your boss on what’s good or bad. So keep your yap shut.

The second issue is how to feign interest or how to steer the conversation. I would treat something like this the same way I treat a conversation about religion, race, or gender, that might disagree with amongst colleagues or people I don’t know.

As others have said, you can turn questions around and ask them. “It’s not my type of book but did you enjoy it? What part did you like?”

The key to it is to leave your ego behind. If a child comes up to me and says they liked some trite novel, I wouldn’t disparage them. I’d feign interest and ask them to talk about it.

The fact that you talk about “redline the shit out of it” makes me think it’s your ego that’s the problem. You think it’s your job to correct your boss and tell them why they don’t understand good writing. That’s an ego thing.

[–] mrbubblesort@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

you can turn questions around and ask them

+1 to this. If he asks if you read it, just say "Sure did boss! And actually, I'm curious, what was your favorite part?" Then just nod at appropriate times while listening to him drone on until it's socially acceptable for you to bow out of the conversation.

I used to do this to my kid all the time when he'd ask me about Paw Patrol or whatever :P

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 12 points 1 year ago

Just use your social skills. Compliment their book to have an interesting starting point, then pivot the conversation to the books you find more impactful. Compliment the person on having the good graces to find and launching point. And then move on to what you find more effective.

It's the same thing as a friend tries to get you to try mustard ice cream. You don't have to be mean. You can say oh ice cream is amazing I love chocolate ice cream, mustard's interesting.

[–] rDrDr@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Real talk, are you getting paid to read this book? Like, on company time, or you're expected to read it after work?

This entire concept of reading a book for work sounds awful to me. Ive only ever had one boss buy me books, and it was just because they were friends with the authors and got us signed copies. There was no expectation that we would actually read them, and they were not all that relevant to our work.

[–] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, it's pretty normal to be given readings in my role as part of my cpd. There's no way to read them on company time so I typically read them after work or on weekends. I don't love it.

[–] RoboRay@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There’s no way to read them on company time so I ~~typically read them after work or on weekends~~ don't read them.

Company tasking happens on company time.

Don't simply accept abuse.

[–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

This sounds aweful.

[–] krellor@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

I would suggest finding a book on a similar topic that is better, and just mention the other book to your boss, saying you think this other treatment of the material was better organized or something innocuous. You might get your boss to read the better book which could improve things at work. 🙂

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago

How did he pick it? Did he personally think it was good or did he relay somebody else's suggestion? Should be easier in the latter case to say something like "it doesn't seem relevant to my work" in the latter case without hurting his ego

[–] __v@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago

I'd just be honest and savage the book. If you just cushion his ego he's going to either do this again or actually follow whatever nonsense is in the book.

[–] angel@triptico.com 2 points 1 year ago

If your boss gave you this book with the honest intention to hear you opinion and share ideas, just be sincere and say what you said here: "It presents no arguments, is severely lacking in any sort of citations..." and the rest. You say that it's garbage without explicitly saying it. It may even give birth to a real interchange of ideas. Mentioning the books you liked instead may even prove positive for everybody involved.

If, on the contrary, it's the usual material from crappy bosses that only want to reaffirm themselves in their bossy bullshit, just tell them that it was "very remarkable and with very enlightening ideas" and move on.

[–] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

There must have been something in the book that resonated for him. Something he feels is missing from your company or could be implemented in your company. Try to find that thing and use the discussion to ask him how you think your company could operationalize that concept/idea. Also have your own ideas ready for this.

This will change the conversation and pump his ego.

[–] Apex_Fail@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

My go-to is "It didn't quite hit for me, but that's the beauty of the reader's perspective. What stood out to you?"

As someone who has read a lot of absolutely shit-teir books (think the zombie obsession circa mid 2000s), I'm ok saying if something didn't resonate with me.

[–] tracerous@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think you have to ask yourself why he picked out this book. You can even try asking him how he heard about it, if you can do it in a curious non-judgmental way.

If you think he chose it because he wanted the team to improve or grow in this area and the title sounded like a good fit, you can probably be more honest with your criticism, especially if you can offer other theories or strategies and recommended the sources you learned them from. In this case, I think he'd care more that his book triggered these discussions than whether it was strictly any good.

But if you think he has read and enjoyed this book himself, or that he saw it advertised on LinkedIn and thought it would be a nice manager thing to get it for everyone, I think you should keep your comments more positive. Tell him about any parts that you did think were good, point out the topics that you're most interested in researching further, tell him about any ideas for the team that were triggered while reading, etc.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Tell your boss he's a genius.

Seriously, it's a job and you shouldn't have to worry about anything after five pm.

[–] Hank@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

OP why would you give a shit about honest feedback if honest feedback will influence your job in a negative manner? Say mindless nice bullshit so you boss leaves you alone and move on.
If there was worth in honesty in your working environment you wouldn't need to make this post.

[–] darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago

Do you have any reason to believe that your boss really read the book and actually liked it?