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[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 314 points 1 year ago (295 children)

Socialists don't hate markets, they hate workers not having any power or democratic choice in how they interact in the market.

Workers owning the means of production just means the workers are doing the same work but they are in ownership of the factory and the profits. They will still sell the products they produce in a marketplace.

[–] AnarchaPrincess@hexbear.net 85 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 274 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (157 children)

You literally left Reddit because of what capitalism did to it.

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[–] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 178 points 1 year ago (75 children)

The bias is justified. The left is correct. Markets don't create wealth without necessarily simultaneously creating poverty

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 104 points 1 year ago (4 children)

For more information, research "surplus army of labor", "primitive accumulation", and "accumulation by dispossession".

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[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 152 points 1 year ago (23 children)

To paraphrase this cool guy named Ernesto: Its not our fault reality is marxist che-si

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[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 136 points 1 year ago (1 children)

middle class between what class and what class? the rich class and the having a great time class?

[–] very_poggers_gay@hexbear.net 93 points 1 year ago

Middle class between what

Lmao, this is such a good one

[–] beef_curds@hexbear.net 133 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You'll be happy to know there's a social media site just like lemmy run by capitalists. It has all the benefits that capitalist ownership provides.

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[–] imgonnatrythis@lemm.ee 130 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Wtf is an uncorrupt government?

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 70 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

All types of governance and economic systems are susceptible to despotism.

It takes a constantly educated and involved population to fight it.

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[–] Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml 118 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think you will find any place thats well moderated and cracks down on bigotry and hatespeech will skew left.

Weird how that is, huh?

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[–] American_Badass@hexbear.net 114 points 1 year ago (308 children)

I know Hexbear skews very, very liberal. I haven't spent much time in other lemmy places.

[–] airlinefood@hexbear.net 120 points 1 year ago (2 children)

20,000 liberals and me, the one true leftist.

[–] American_Badass@hexbear.net 94 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I am on hexbear because I like the memes. I consider myself a centrist, but I do agree with their general stance of a revolution that leads to the abolition of private property, there should be a dictatorship of the proletariat, and the complete dedication to elevating our marginalized comrades. I just try not to get political there, and it's fine really.

[–] AlfredoBonannoFofana@hexbear.net 93 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm a centrist; Anarchists and Marxist-Leninists both make good points

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 85 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
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[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 112 points 1 year ago

"Me saying that if I had a genie in a bottle I could marginally improve the world"

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.one 108 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If we liked capitalism, we'd still using Reddit

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[–] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 91 points 1 year ago (25 children)

Most would agree with your point - right up until you suggest that having an "uncorrupt government" is remotely possible.

Pretty much the same level of unrealistic idealism as folks who think it's remotely possible to transition a state to communism without it turning into authoritarianism.

There, now I've pissed off everyone lol

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[–] ComradeCmdrPiggy@hexbear.net 89 points 1 year ago (2 children)

wealth for many

How many, exactly?

middle class

You mean like the big beautiful boaters trump-feed talks fondly about? Or the landlords that don't generate any actual value but get rich by literally leeching off of others (who largely do actual work that generates actual value?)

PIGPOOPBALLS

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[–] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 88 points 1 year ago (7 children)
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[–] TheGreatFox@lemm.ee 87 points 1 year ago

uncorrupt government

I think you meant "free real estate for the CIA and their a puppet dictators".

It's what happens every time another country doesn't want to sell their natural resources for pennies.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 87 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

"wealth for many" yeah but not the majority, and oh whoops what happened to the rest? Oh boy would you look at that they're all destitute because capital needs a reserve army of labour in order to function.

Oh whoops would you look at that the market has a tendency to create a monopoly, that's weird.

Oh wait would you look at that the regulations are ineffective because the capitalists hold outsized influence in literally every capitalist "democracy" due to them holding the means of production, them having more resources available, which then gives them more time and ability to influence elections. Oh whoops media is a market and media shapes perception how did that happen?

Corruption isn't a bug, it's a feature.

Reality has a Marxist bias

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 76 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Markets don't "create wealth". People's work creates wealth. Banks don't create wealth, they create debt and allow more money to go into circulation than actually exists.

Regulation isn't only desired, it's crucial for any market economy to work, lest they devolve into corrupt, abusive monopolies and oligopolies. Granted, bad regulation can be equally abusive and real cases are plentiful.

Just as important as regulation is taxing who has more money, because generating wealth won't automagically distribute it in any ideal manner. The worst problem nowadays is just how easy it is for rich assholes to legally evade taxes no matter which country they're from.

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[–] Pectin8747@lemmy.ml 74 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (20 children)

My experience has been the opposite. I've found that the majority of users tend to lean towards neoliberal and center-right ideologies. I guess most of them are probably American, so their warped worldview has them considering these ideologies as 'left-wing' instead 🙃

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[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 72 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] RoomAndBored@hexbear.net 70 points 1 year ago

Capitalism is just markets. My god. It all makes sense now.

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 66 points 1 year ago

Boot-flavored capitalist Kool-Aid must be so refreshing during such a torrid summer

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