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‘You’re Telling Me in 2023, You Still Have a ’Droid?’ Why Teens Hate Android Phones / A recent survey of teens found that 87% have iPhones, and don’t plan to switch::undefined

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[–] Nisciunu@lemmy.world 105 points 1 year ago (3 children)

87% of US teens. Here in Germany I see a big mix of devices in teenagers and grown ups hands and nobody seems to care about it.

[–] Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yep. The popularity of iPhones in US doesn't represent the rest of the world. iPhone users are the minority in Finland. No one is complaining about green chat bubbles because iPhone users have to use WhatsApp aswell.

[–] eee@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago

same here, hearing about green chat hate was completely bonkers to me.

[–] atlem@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's annoying that people have to use a Meta program.

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[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

There are still enough people who are obnoxious about it, and most of them seem to be iPhone users interestingly

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[–] NPC@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Came here to say this. Yes, iphones are popular here in the Netherlands, but it's way more of a 50/50 split. My guess would be that this is the case because whatsapp is far more popular here (so the whole blue checkmark thing doesn't really exist here) and that in general, people view phones less like a status symbol than Americans do.

[–] shashi154263@lemmy.world 103 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It is an American problem.

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[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago (2 children)

87% seems insanely high unless the survey was being done inside an apple store or something. But the article just keeps asking if I'm a robot, so I can't actually read it.

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[–] Jackthelad@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ah, the easy days of being an obnoxious asshat while mum and dad buy your expensive tech for you.

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[–] broguy89@lemm.ee 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

87% of teens are lazy fucks who don't know how to download an app that isn't TicTok, surprised?

[–] imgonnatrythis@lemm.ee 83 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

It's scary how tech illiterate most teens / young adults are. Despite the fact that they live their lives through digital interfaces, the majority do not know how to use a keyboard properly.

I wrongly had assumed that by being surrounded by so much tech, young people would just soak it in and strive to optimize it's use through early mastery. It turns out that despite everyone using tech all the time now, it's still the same thin slice of the pie that scratch the tech any deeper than the top surface.

[–] fresh@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like we’re getting old. Is this our “kids these day can’t even change their own oil” moment?

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago

I couldn't imagine any of these kids having to deal with a dos prompt.

Then again the thought of having to be on instagram robs me of control over bodily functions.

[–] NightOwl@lemmy.one 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They are the new boomers now. Like even basic folder navigation is something that is difficult for them.

https://www.theverge.com/22684730/students-file-folder-directory-structure-education-gen-z

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[–] jecxjo@midwest.social 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

But that kinda makes sense. They never had that period where tech sucked and you had to struggle through it. Even as a developer I'm noticing the junior developers amazed at the stuff i know how to do and they ask how i soaked it all up. It's cuz i had to just to get basic shit to function.

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[–] danielton@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No kidding. I'm in my late 30s and regularly have to help 18-24 year old coworkers with connecting their phones to the bluetooth speakers or help with stuff on the computer. I never thought that would happen when I was growing up. I always thought they'd be much better than me!

[–] Kiosade@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago

It feels like a bell curve of technological literacy… most boomers knew jack shit, gen x has a decent amount of tech literates, Millenials are the peak, and then it seems to have started dropping back down from there.

[–] Aopen@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Young gen Z here. I remember time when casual adults (not nerds interested in tech) considered kids the experts. From perspective of time I can guess it was because they didnt have any 'digital sense' and saw kids playing on mobile devices.

However these days... I everyday see peers using tech in ways we living in tech bubble consider inproper. They use proprietary software, charge battery to 100% and discharge it to full 0, dont care about privacy, accept bloatware instead of flashing rom/uninstalling with adb, they dont know what bootloader is, dont check repairability of devide before purchase, accept everything soldered into motherboard, they think LLM arent just large next-word suggester, they dont boycott companies shitting on them, they use trademarked words while meaning generic things like 'googling' and 'ipad', post their real profile photos on facebook, they accept predatory monetization models.

I dont want to say Im smarter than everyone, but Im just sad that this gen fell so low.

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[–] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (28 children)

I'm personally so tired of defending android to iPhone users. At the end of the day, it's personal preference. IPhone is a walled-garden, curated and closed system that has features that are more uniform and well developed across the whole brand. Android has custom options for a huge variety of things that iPhone can't match simply due to the nature of android's open system. Android also tends to have significantly cheaper modern options, but iPhone tends to get OS and security updates much longer.

They both have huge market shares and neither can fill the other's niche well enough to bump the other out. It's not a competition, it's just preference. Is it really such a big deal to point out that teens prefer one over the other? Once the next generation comes to an age of owning phones, we might just find that they find iphones lame and old and swap back to android. That's kind of how generations tend to work.

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I would prefer my phones to work well with other phones. If your phone requires that everyone else buy the same overpriced phone, it is not a better device. Anyone can make something that talks well with itself.

[–] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm on the same page as you. It should be noted, however, that the kind of exclusivity you find repulsive actually works as a selling point for apple. It's like, "Buy an iPhone! All your friends have them and you want to be able to talk to them right?" Peer pressure is a hell of a drug

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

I'm aware, it's why I inherently don't trust them. They are anticompetitive to a fault. It is unethical no matter what code of ethics you go by and I vote with my wallet.

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[–] beefsack@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is only in the US I assume? The article isn't very up front about it.

[–] slampisko@czech-lemmy.eu 14 points 1 year ago

Apple holds 57% of the phones market versus Android’s 42% in the U.S., according to web traffic analysis site Statcounter. The data skews worse for Android when narrowed down to teenagers. According to a survey of 7,100 American teens last year conducted by investment bank Piper Sandler, 87% of teens currently have an iPhone, and 87% plan on sticking with the brand for their next phone. But the stigma regarding Android phones is mostly an American phenomenon, at least to the degree to which it affects purchase habits. Worldwide, per the same Statcounter report, Androids represent the significant majority of all smartphones, holding a 71% share of sales compared with Apple’s 28%.

From the article.

[–] BellaDonna@mujico.org 38 points 1 year ago

A truly lost generation

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (48 children)

Disposable society at the max. They done got the new generation to accept planned obsolescence...

Fuck that, Right To Repair!

[–] Sigil_Hunter@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

And being able to easily side-load apps. Also being able to just use a USB C cable like every other device. ( will not apply to future EU, but will probably remain relevant other places ).

I just really fucking hate apple and thier walled garden bullshit.

[–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

Apple has the longest support of any phone maker by far.

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[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 27 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Gen Z here. Even if I could (somehow) afford an iPhone, I can't imagine buying them because they're just so locked-down... How can you use a phone you can't even access file system on? Hell, even load apps the manufacturer doesn't like? AND sell a kidney for this? Around me, iPhones are a minority but still prevalent, but I am living in a major, pretty wealthy city.

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[–] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 23 points 1 year ago

In this case, it really is the children who are wrong.

[–] AcornCarnage@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

We've let Apple buy its way into our school systems. Of course kids are going to gravitate toward iPhones. Part of their schooling every day from Kindergarten is using iOS.

[–] thecam@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

I think Apple marketing has a role in it. Their commercials and packaging gives the iPhone an elitist aura. Kinda like a calone, jewelry, fancy watches, fancy cars.

[–] Gerula@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Because Apple did a dick move and targeted with paid influencers that segment of population because they are the most succeptible to fashion trends and easy to manipulate due to their natural tendency to buckle to peer pressure in order to integrate and feel accepted?

[–] kyub@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not really relevant. The majority of teens isn't able to make an informed decision about which is better anyway, and in fact none of the 2 is recommended anyway unless you count in AOSP-based distributions (based off of the open source Android without Google apps), then Android wins of course. But when you compare iOS vs. proprietary Android, it's like comparing 2 different forms of diseases.

So yeah while statistics are interesting it's important not to interpret too much into some. Like, "majority of teens dislikes Jazz music". Well, it doesn't really matter whether they dislike it or not. Popularity doesn't represent quality necessarily. Sometimes, but certainly not always.

In Germany the mobile landscape is more "diverse", I'd say closer to 40%/60% iOS/Android from my own observations. And since we "care" "more" about privacy in schools or public institutions (we still care plenty little but I guess Germany is on average at least known for being a country that does more for data protection than others, so maybe that counts as something?), it's also probably less iOS infested, although I do know that some schools and public institutions do use iOS devices. But I don't think everyone does.

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[–] bi_tux@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A important thing, that a lot of people here seem to forget: teenagers are more likely to be influenced by fashion trends, than reason, but they aren't stupid.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I dunno, I'd call that one of the definitions of stupid. Not that they are necessarily overall stupid, but IMO being influenced by fashion trends without reasoning about it is a stupid trait (in kids or adults).

[–] FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I have an iPhone, but I’d probably prefer an Android just because you can install things from outside the App Store.

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[–] Digitalmigrant@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have no issue with iPhones, but I've never owned one, and have no intention of buying one in the foreseeable future. "It just works" has never appealed to me as a marketing tactic. I want to know how things work, and have access to get in and play around with things.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago

About five years ago, non-tech folk would switch from Apple (which was paid for by family) to Android (which is what they could afford entering the job market). As a tech geek, I actively pursued Android offerings with the latest stuff (waterproofing! encryption!) and got good results from it. The general rule was to buy a phone from the manufacturer and use the base OS rather than the hobbled offerings from the telecommunications stores.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I tapped the article link. It's offering me new experimental drugs as advertising.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Let us know how it goes.

[–] DepthCharge@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I own both, a iphone X for work and a cheap Motorola G series phone (200 euro).

I prefer my Android phone, the customization, ease of use. With Android you feel more like an Admin, iphone you are just a user for overpriced stuff

[–] rizoid@midwest.social 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Idk where they got this data from. In my kid's school almost everyone has Androids. Granted I live in a poorer area of the country where apple shit is rare and most people have cheap Chromebooks.

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