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Trump's legal advisers urge him to cancel press conference to refute Georgia allegations: Sources (abcnews.go.com)
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Trump had announced a plan to release info on alleged election interference.

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[–] Elderos@lemmings.world 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Crazy that doubling down and attacking everyone worked for him for nearly 8 decades, that is all he knows, and the feedback loop proved him that the more brazen he is, the better the result.

Thing is, I think for the the first time and his life this is gonna backfire hard. He could have done all this criming, he was probably fine even after the coup, and he could have gone in the sunset with his millions and his shitty consequence-free life. But he just can't help it, he's been a fucking ass for 8 decades he can't just stop. He's obviously past the point of weighting different strategies or anything, he just attacks. Federal judge? Sure. Prosecutor? Sure. Mess and impede a federal investigation? Sure. The "off" switch stopped working a long time ago. He's no longer considering the feedback from his actions. He will attack the judges and keep digging his grave until he's physically removed from society, like an asylum patient.

[–] Barbacamanitu@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I haven't seen any evidence he will ever face consequences. I hope I'm wrong.

[–] Elderos@lemmings.world 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

He faces 91 felony count. No offence directly to you but I see this comment a lot. This is plenty of "evidence" that he is about to pay, saying otherwise is basically denial at this point. Sure it could fail, anything can happen. But saying there is no evidence is pretending this is similar to being denounced by the media, or congress, or a civil lawsuit. This is the most concrete, evidency thing that could possibly be happening right now, in this timeline. He's being smited by the country judicial power.

[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think the thing that makes people think that is he's still running around the country, amping up his cult with the wounded lamb routine. Anyone else facing 91 counts would already be behind bars. Justice had been coming for so long, most of us don't think it will ever get to the station.

[–] torknorggren@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is a staggering number, but since none are for violent crimes, I wouldn't expect him to be jailed pending trial. Heck, they let Elizabeth Holmes stay out for quite a while after her conviction.

[–] Elderos@lemmings.world 2 points 1 year ago

Pure speculation, but I think they're giving him rope on purpose. Rule #1 in a trial is to shut up because it makes your case harder otherwise. Intimidating the witness is definitely something that can play in his favour, but he's doing it overtly on the internet, on top of saying crazy shit that has is absolutely helping the prosecution for free.

[–] Elderos@lemmings.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, but whether he wait in jail or not has little impact on the final verdict. People think that this is a sign of a sympathetic judge, but really the reason why they're so prudent, why it took so long, and why they're making such grand efforts to go easy on him is because they want to take absolutely 0 risks. It is all coldly planned, they're patient and he's gonna end up in a cell (not in general pop prison, but in a cell regardless, with a bed and a toilet.)

I mean, I can't tell the future, but I think I've had a good track record about trump so far. To me, it seems obvious that his power and influence already failed him. Influent people get away from it all by avoiding investigations, and/or avoiding prosecution by a sympathetic AG, and/or by making a deal with the DOJ, and/or by having the case dismissed. None of this is happening, and short of SCOTUS saving his ass (won't happen), he's out at the mercy of the jurors. There is no way out of 91 criminal charges, it is absolutely overkill.

[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I hope you're right. I'm generally an optimistic person, but in this, it's difficult to maintain a positive outlook anymore.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

Call me when he goes to jail. That is the only thing that can possibly count as a consequence.

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

It's a long walk from charged to convicted, and another long walk to serving a sentence. I've seen enough 'ordinary' politicians not convicted, overturned on appeal, or otherwise nullified to have confidence that a Trump-level cult leader, with literal militia backing, will sit in a prison cell before he dies.

I'm hoping. I'm shopping for a celebration bottle. But I'm not betting my 401k.

[–] ForgetPrimacy@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I could use some copium, can someone name for me any figure of America's right wing that has ever faced criminal consequences for the crimes they committed? I want to read a Wikipedia page of delicious justice.

[–] Elderos@lemmings.world 1 points 1 year ago

Only 1 of the 46 presidents of the USA was ever criminally charged, 91 times. I think most people don't realize that it never get to that point. Having this many charge means he failed to save himself. Now it is just a matter of watching his downfall, in very slow motion, but still, the destination remains settled.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Yes you have. It’s just been clouded by your opinion.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

steps up to the podium with a folder of documents. As he opens it, he fumbles it with his cocktail weenie fingers, spilling out across the stage previously unknown Top Secret documents

"Uhhhhh. You were not supposed to see that."

runs away

[–] ZagamTheVile@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You lost us at "runs".

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah. I should have put slowly waddles away

[–] morphballganon@mtgzone.com 2 points 1 year ago

No, it was the previous line, where he cares about who sees what.

[–] MicroWave@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sources tell ABC News that Trump's legal advisers have told him that holding such a press conference with dubious claims of voter fraud will only complicate his legal problems and some of his attorneys have advised him to cancel it.

[–] AttackPanda@programming.dev 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think this confirms Trump will 100% move forward with the conference. If it’s wrong, count him in!

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 year ago

This could be seen as a "I have the proof my people, but I'm not allowed to share it, the deep state is keeping it hidden, but I'll release it in two weeks anyway". (Trump time two weeks never happens)

[–] NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

He's doing this because of the Republican Debate which is like two days later. "Governor DeSantis, former president Trump gave a press conference laying out what he claimed was conclusive evidence that the Georgia election was stolen. Have you reviewed that evidence and do accept that the Georgia election was rigged and Trump in fact won in that state?"

A (arguably wide, depending on the poll) majority of Republican voters believe Trump won in 2020 and the election was stolen. Republican candidates have been trying to walk a very fine line of not pissing off the Republican base they need to win the primary by saying Trump is wrong, but also not committing to the stolen election theory which they know is toxic in a general election. So when asked if Biden won they say things like "Biden is the current president." What happens at debates is the moderators tend to focus in on the news of the day. Trump's indictment is news of the day, but all the Republican candidates are very practiced at ignoring the substance of the charges and instead answering with generic "Biden is weaponizing the Justice Department" bullshit nonanswers. What Trump is doing is making the election fraud claims the "news of the day," forcing candidates to specifically deal with the claims of rigging, and any attempt to deflect to complaining about the Justice System will be a dodge so obvious even mouth breathing Republican primary voters will recognize it. In short, Trump is fucking with the other candidates.

And legally, it's not a bad play. He's already fucked on the facts and law, I think he's correct that his best chance of avoiding jail time is winning the presidency. Even with a Georgia conviction, I wouldn't put it past SCOTUS to say a sitting President can't serve jail time for state crimes, or some other wacky shit. All in all, doing this bullshit press conference may actually be a "smart" move from his perspective.

[–] MacGuffin94@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nooo... Please.... Somebody stop him.... Don't go on national TV to provide more evidence to be used against you...

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Eh, no, don't interrupt byour enemy when he's about to smear shit in his eyes, or something like that...

[–] rapscallion@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

If you sign up to be his legal advisor he’ll ignore your advice, push you to do things that will damage your reputation and/or violate the law, publicly insult you if you quit or refuse to do those things, and won’t pay you for your work. Most white-shoe law firms want nothing to do with him at this point but he somehow keeps finding qualified counsel. It’s weird.

[–] SevFTW@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

Bunch of idiots thinking “I can fix him 🥺”

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Qualified is being generous.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah. Some of them seem to have gotten their law degree out of a claw machine at Chuck E. Cheese.

[–] Elderos@lemmings.world 5 points 1 year ago

It must certainly be attracting a very special kind of people right now. People crazy enough or power hungry to the point of self-destructing for the guy.

[–] VanillaGorilla@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

But if you want to get rid of your license he's a relatively safe bet.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"I'd love to show you the report, it's beautiful, and perfect, and it shows in so many ways how I'm innocent of all charges. My lawyers wept when they, true story! My lawyers were VISIBLY WEEPING as they read it. VISIBLY! But now, on the advice of those lawyers, I can't release it to you. I CAN'T! I want to, but I can't. They tell me it would tell these evil, nasty, prosecutors too much about our defense, so, you know, we can't have that."

[–] icy_mal@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Also, the report is in Canada.

[–] Decoy321@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Attorneys: it's Shut The Fuck Up Friday!!

[–] danhakimi@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Am an attorney, this is the best legal advice there is. Not just for Trump, but for any client. If you need legal help: shut up, go to a lawyer, talk to the lawyer, and then shut up again. Do not just say "oh I just want to say one thing" 47 times. It's not going to help your case.

[–] Thepinyaroma@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

"But they said they'd help me out if I told my side of the story! They said they'd put in a good word with the DA for me!"

sigh

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

So after 5 or 6 dozen law suits that failed to show any evidence of election problems, he suddenly has a detailed report on it that he's withheld for how long now?

Wouldn't that make him an accomplice?

[–] SpunkyBarnes@geddit.social 6 points 1 year ago

Has he ever taken a lawyer’s advice, let alone paid them?

[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Do it!

*Palpatine voice

[–] tegs_terry@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Repudiate the allegations. He ain't refuting shit.

[–] quicksand@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Refudiate the allegations. He ain't reputing shit... God it's so sad I miss the days where Sarah Palin was the worst of the Republican party

[–] silentmaster@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Which means he will not be doing that under any circumstances.