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[–] Rusty@lemmy.ca 146 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] DulyNoted@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Yeah, this kinda shit is fucking hilarious but people don't realize it. There's this corporate training BS called Kaizen where they take a lot of normal Japanese words like 無理 (muri) and associate weird Eastern mystic significance to them.

Literally just means "impossible" and is frequently used in slang to be like "no no no I couldn't possibly [talk to that hot guy]". Having it put up on a slide and presented by some white dudes in suits who were nodding solely and talking about the secret Japanese knowledge was just too much to bear.

[–] Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I fucking hate Kaizen. I had to go through it as part of a job placement program and was convinced it was a cult. Like no, I am not going to call "Leaving a reminder for myself" a Gemba. I'm calling it a note because the japanese didn't fucking invent the idea of writing things down for later.

[–] Usernamemonopoly@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It’s all the same bullshit as six sigma with their black belts and shit. Or if you are devops the utter trash called “Agile”.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Sprints away

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[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They didn't invent the idea of comic books either, so why do we call them "manga" if they come from Japan?

[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Because it’s a way to distinguish them. In Italy, we also call American comics “comics” (instead of the Italian word for comics) for example.

[–] orphiebaby@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Manga are a kind of comic, they're just pretty specific about their format and choices. Anime is a kind of animated cartoon, it's just specific about its choices. Even "coming from Japan" isn't a requirement as long as it follows those traditionally(-ish) Japanese choices.

[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Eh, there’s different schools of thought. Artists like Junji Ito or Kabi Nagata make stuff very different from the usual manga, but they’re still called “manga”. In the same way, Radiant isn’t considered a manga by many even though it’s so close to the actual ones it even got an anime.

[–] thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because they come from Japan...

[–] neshura@bookwormstory.social 2 points 1 year ago

Also probably because the reading direction is flipped

[–] elscallr@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

God damn I just tried to read the Wikipedia page on Kaizen and I have never seen so many words used to describe nothing.

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[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Is it the corporate equivalent of getting a tattoo that just says "eggs and ham" in Chinese or something?

[–] notatoad@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I bet they get really mad if you call them business weebs

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Basically the Japanese equivalent of shit like "synergy" then?

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Assassinating people is frowned upon? Shiiiiiit, son, next you'll tell me these barbarians get pissed when their shit is stolen!

[–] orphiebaby@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait until you meet the minister that is a Prime. He looks like a holy Transformer just crushing sinners. He transforms into the pope mobile.

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago

What a strange and beautiful land

[–] Nintend00m@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Interesting cultural paradigm for a people that spent centuries genociding others.

[–] _danny@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I love Japanese architecture and Japanese food. And I've watched my fair share of anime and read my fair share of manga.

Anyone who doesn't know how terrible Japanese culture is to outsiders needs to educate themselves, there's a reason they sided with Hitler. That culture never really went away like it did for Germany. Talk to an actual Japanese person, who went to school in Japan and see how much they know about their war crimes, and then talk to a German.

[–] SneakyWeasel@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Hell correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one of the most infamous examples of this that the government refuses to admit the unit 731 existed?

[–] anotherlemmyuser@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

When I was in uni, a Japanese friend told me Korean comfort women are cash grabbers and Japan has done enough even though it is "in the past".

[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t think it’s that worse than other countries tbh. It’s amplified by the fact that it’s an island so foreigners are scarce and a lot of them are there for weeb tourism and may not be the best to interact with, but racism is a constant in most countries all around the world.

They do need to acknowledge their war crimes though, sure. I agree Nationalism is definitely a bigger issue in Japan than in most other countries.

[–] gjghkk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s amplified by the fact that it’s an island so foreigners are scarce

First off, in these times, being an island doesn't mean anything, so that is not an excuse actually. Second, I have heard that their own policy regarding taking non-Japanese in made them a bit more isolated.

[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

In modern times it might not matter (or rather, it matters less, refugees still have to move to the closest country and distance by sea does matter), but it mattered in the past and they grew up as a very isolated society (which in turn had them spawn those laws you’re talking about).

[–] DashboTreeFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

So, I knew a girl who went to a Japanese international school in my South East Asian home country where the Japanese did some utterly horrendous things during WWII. She told me the school took them to a war museum kinda place on a field trip and basically shouted at them like "LOOK AT WHAT YOUR PEOPLE DID!" until the whole room of grade school kids were crying about how sorry they were. So at least outside of Japan there seems to be some (perhaps over the top) education about the atrocities committed by the Japanese government to Japanese students, but I agree, most of the Japan educated Japanese people I've spoken to are just vaguely aware that they did some bad stuff before they got nuked.

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[–] Zoboomafoo@yiffit.net 18 points 1 year ago

It's quite simple when you realize that the non-Japanese aren't people

[–] Emanuel@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Centuries? I knew their bad period started roughly around the Meiji Era and stopped after WWII, in regards to killing people, but that hardly constitutes centuries

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

stopped after WWII

That's what they and the Western governments legitimizing hyper-nationalist holocaust-deniers like Abe for geopolitical reasons want you to think, but in reality there's still a lot of fuckery going on, to use the technical term.

[–] Emanuel@lemmy.eco.br 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you point to something I can read on this? I don't want this to sound like "I doubt what you're saying", I just know little about Japan after WWII and didn't think full scale genocides were going on. Of course, even after the wars, Japan does not have the best record regarding, uh, being nice to other ethnic groups.

[–] jamielife@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not the op, but since you seem serious, I think a better way of wording it would be, "spent centuries at war and attempted to genocide a few cultures". So, aside from the fact that most of the history of Japan is just waring states and almost never ending infighting, you can look into the Imjin War for Japan's first attempt at conquering the mainland in the 1500s. It would also be worth looking into their conquest and/or eradication of the Ainu, Emishi, Ryūkyū Kingdom.

[–] Emanuel@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 1 year ago

Hey, thanks for the recommendations. I wasn't aware of the Emishi. I'll definitely look into it.

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well the 12th century and the Sengoku period were probably worse than the early Meiji period in terms of violence.

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are we attributing Roman war practices to modern Italy too?

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

No, I don't think modern Italians have time machines to go back in time and train the Romans. Also, the Romans were actually competent, so it is unlikely that they were trained by the Italians.

[–] Emanuel@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, but I wouldn't call it genocide. I don't know, I'm not defending them for their crimes in the past century, but the original comment is a little hyperbolic.

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The modern (yamato) Japanese people replaced the previous inhabitants of Japan. I don't think it was a deliberate genocide, but at the end of the day the Emishi / Jomon cultures were wiped out.

Edit: Also, I was talking about violence in general, not genocide.

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

When people get murdered, do you say they got homicided?

[–] NGC2346@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Pregnenolone@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The reply is obviously satire, but the original seems like typical weeb hyperfixation

[–] pm_boobs_send_nudes@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Pretty sure it's satire. A country that made Ninja assassin's surely can't have such concepts.

[–] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've seen so many times this images and still not understand if the reply is serious or trolling OP

[–] Selmafudd@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Not knowing if it's satire or serious is the pinnacle of sarcastic humour

[–] limpid_luster@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

MIND BLOWING 🤯

[–] ikiru@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago
[–] original_ish_name@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Tell that to the japanese in WWII wasting manpower by forcing their people to kill themselves

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